Comments on: Media outlet refuses to run GOP’s TV ad filled with falsehoods on clean energy bill http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:52:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Asteroid Miner http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-94342 Asteroid Miner Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:14:59 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-94342 Question: Does W-M [HR2454] mandate the use of "renewable" electricity sources? What does that mandate do to my price of electricity here in Illinois? I am on page 193 of "Earth: the Sequel" by Fred Krupp, president of the Environmental Defense Fund. Fred Krupp says solar electricity from a large scale solar plant in Arizona will cost a minimum of 10.5 cents per kilowatt hour and it will cost an additional 1.5 cents per kilowatt hour to transport the electricity to the rest of us on high voltage DC power lines. That adds up to 12 cents per kilowatt hour. I am now paying 7.5 cents per kilowatt hour. That would be a 60% increase in that portion of my electricity that comes from solar times a 15% share or a 9% increase in my electric bill, or about $23 per month or $276 per year. Please post the entire present version of W-M [HR2454] in your regular format. I can't decode the newest Acrobat format. [<em>JR: Who are you and what have you done with Asteroid Miner? The real A-M smart guy who knows that in fact W-M has a too-week renewable mandate that is hardly different from business as usual. I have already explained at length how the W-M 2020 target (beyond BAU) will be met through domestic emissions reduction cuts -- primarily energy efficiency, conservation, low-cost renewables (biomass cofiring, some wind), and natural gas -- that may be $15 a ton of CO2. The modest amount that would raise your electricity rates will be compensated for by the huge amount of funding the bill directs towards energy efficiency. In short, your bill will stay about the same</em>.] Question: Does W-M [HR2454] mandate the use of “renewable” electricity sources? What does that mandate do to my price of electricity here in Illinois? I am on page 193 of “Earth: the Sequel” by Fred Krupp, president of the Environmental Defense Fund. Fred Krupp says solar electricity from a large scale solar plant in Arizona will cost a minimum of 10.5 cents per kilowatt hour and it will cost an additional 1.5 cents per kilowatt hour to transport the electricity to the rest of us on high voltage DC power lines. That adds up to 12 cents per kilowatt hour. I am now paying 7.5 cents per kilowatt hour. That would be a 60% increase in that portion of my electricity that comes from solar times a 15% share or a 9% increase in my electric bill, or about $23 per month or $276 per year.

Please post the entire present version of W-M [HR2454] in your regular format. I can’t decode the newest Acrobat format.

[JR: Who are you and what have you done with Asteroid Miner? The real A-M smart guy who knows that in fact W-M has a too-week renewable mandate that is hardly different from business as usual. I have already explained at length how the W-M 2020 target (beyond BAU) will be met through domestic emissions reduction cuts -- primarily energy efficiency, conservation, low-cost renewables (biomass cofiring, some wind), and natural gas -- that may be $15 a ton of CO2. The modest amount that would raise your electricity rates will be compensated for by the huge amount of funding the bill directs towards energy efficiency.

In short, your bill will stay about the same.]

]]> By: Dean http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-93967 Dean Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:54:01 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-93967 Does anybody guess that this TV station is going to face some kind of boycott by conservatives for "censorship"? Has Rush or O'Reilly told people to stop watching it? Does anybody guess that this TV station is going to face some kind of boycott by conservatives for “censorship”? Has Rush or O’Reilly told people to stop watching it?

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-92558 David B. Benson Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:38:05 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-92558 FTC does not allow (in principle) false advertising. DOn't think FCC does either. Station could lose license. So don't give them lots of credit for this action. FTC does not allow (in principle) false advertising. DOn’t think FCC does either. Station could lose license.

So don’t give them lots of credit for this action.

]]> By: Leland Palmer http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-92388 Leland Palmer Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:01:38 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-92388 Hi paulm- I can't really fault Joe's judgement. It is pretty wild. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/news/22621 Don't discuss it here. Hi paulm-

I can’t really fault Joe’s judgement. It is pretty wild.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/news/22621

Don’t discuss it here.

]]> By: Richard Pauli http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-92339 Richard Pauli Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:46:47 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-92339 Study, after study, after old study says: doing nothing makes it worse -- assuring complete destruction, within just a few generations. Doing nothing HAS made it worse. Business-as-usual is certain death. Where is the Republican solution? Or anyone's solution? This is just the first try at addressing the problem. Right now there are twin approaches of adaptation and mitigation. Denying the problem is an unacceptable approach. Drilling cheap oil is NOT a solution. Nor is burning coal. So what are you going to do about global heating and climate destabilization? Is there some other way to meet this danger? Saying it is not a danger does not work. Any breaking the rules of science will not work either. Ignorance and denial does not work for my kids. Until you realize the problem, you look really stupid trying to even talk about a solution. The problem you are trying to fix is your lack of money. Sorry, but we are not addressing that problem right now. But if you have a better survival plan than this, please speak up. Study, after study, after old study says: doing nothing makes it worse — assuring complete destruction, within just a few generations. Doing nothing HAS made it worse.

Business-as-usual is certain death.

Where is the Republican solution? Or anyone’s solution? This is just the first try at addressing the problem.

Right now there are twin approaches of adaptation and mitigation.

Denying the problem is an unacceptable approach.

Drilling cheap oil is NOT a solution. Nor is burning coal. So what are you going to do about global heating and climate destabilization?

Is there some other way to meet this danger? Saying it is not a danger does not work. Any breaking the rules of science will not work either.

Ignorance and denial does not work for my kids.

Until you realize the problem, you look really stupid trying to even talk about a solution.

The problem you are trying to fix is your lack of money.

Sorry, but we are not addressing that problem right now. But if you have a better survival plan than this, please speak up.

]]> By: ken levenson http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-92307 ken levenson Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:56:59 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-92307 Right on Jeremiah.... One could add: The Clean Energy Bill will destroy the sanctity of traditional marriage and void the Second Amendment - thereby destroying America. Right on Jeremiah….

One could add: The Clean Energy Bill will destroy the sanctity of traditional marriage and void the Second Amendment – thereby destroying America.

]]> By: paulm http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-92299 paulm Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:49:00 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-92299 well that's a tease! What have we missed? well that’s a tease! What have we missed?

]]> By: Jeremiah http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-92244 Jeremiah Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:20:50 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-92244 New study, Clean Energy Legislation will cost the average American $2,980,000 a day. New study, Clean Energy Legislation will cost the average American $2,980,000 a day.

]]> By: John Pearson http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-92233 John Pearson Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:04:50 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-92233 I dont think it matters what the climate bill will or will not cost. the fact is we need to cut emissions quickly and deeply, end of story. the facts are clear, the costs are not. it makes little sense to discuss a few dollars here or there, the fact is our energy use must become sustainable, if it costs 5$ a gallon to do that, thats what it costs. I dont think it matters what the climate bill will or will not cost. the fact is we need to cut emissions quickly and deeply, end of story. the facts are clear, the costs are not. it makes little sense to discuss a few dollars here or there, the fact is our energy use must become sustainable, if it costs 5$ a gallon to do that, thats what it costs.

]]> By: Leland Palmer http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/03/media-gops-tv-ad-falsehoods-on-clean-energy-bill/#comment-92221 Leland Palmer Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:47:32 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8688#comment-92221 Thanks, Joe :) Do yourself a favor, and read the link provided. Thanks, Joe :)

Do yourself a favor, and read the link provided.

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