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		<title>By: Start Loving</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-99183</link>
		<dc:creator>Start Loving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph, your work is of historic proportions and importance.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, your work is of historic proportions and importance.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-95375</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and paulm

it is heart breaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and paulm</p>
<p>it is heart breaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-95319</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Thomson (or whatever iteration that sneaks through the moderation) - 

You raise important questions, as to how best are we going to survive given the future climate changes.

My significant other (being of militaristic bent) seems to be convinced that AMERICA will keep out the hoards of cannibalistic starving refugees from rising seas and agricultural drought-fueled famine from inundating our borders, and we&#039;ll just be okay!  The Marines will take care of us, like magic!

Whereas I don&#039;t think that will be sufficient, especially in a world where unstable governments have armies and nuclear weapons at their disposal.  I think mitigating rising seas will require international cooperation.

A world government seems unlikely.  But there must be some sort of universal agreement since everyone on the planet is impacted by everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Thomson (or whatever iteration that sneaks through the moderation) &#8211; </p>
<p>You raise important questions, as to how best are we going to survive given the future climate changes.</p>
<p>My significant other (being of militaristic bent) seems to be convinced that AMERICA will keep out the hoards of cannibalistic starving refugees from rising seas and agricultural drought-fueled famine from inundating our borders, and we&#8217;ll just be okay!  The Marines will take care of us, like magic!</p>
<p>Whereas I don&#8217;t think that will be sufficient, especially in a world where unstable governments have armies and nuclear weapons at their disposal.  I think mitigating rising seas will require international cooperation.</p>
<p>A world government seems unlikely.  But there must be some sort of universal agreement since everyone on the planet is impacted by everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-95295</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This misery is going to multiply within the next decade. Heart wrenching....
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Devastation in Zambia as climate change brings early flooding

Mukelabai, 25, and her family packed all the belongings they could into a canoe and paddled 24km to safety. After four months they came back to find the roof of their home fallen in and the mudbrick walls crumbling away. She added: &quot;We are having to start again. There is no food so we are not eating anything. My husband has no job. I worry about the children.&quot;

Elsewhere, at Soola, the settlement resembled even more closely a desolate refugee camp, with shelters fabricated from thatch and reeds and draped with dirty clothes and blankets. Remnants of sweet potato tubers were scattered on the ground. An area where homes used to be was now a muddy wasteland save for a single door, standing like the freak survivor of a shockwave that vaporised everything else.

Masela Kababa, 30, a mother of three young children, said: &quot;There isn&#039;t enough food to feed the children. They all have aching joints and eye infections. There&#039;s nothing we can do.&quot;

She was pessimistic. &quot;This problem is here to stay. I think it will keep happening to the end of time.&quot;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/06/zambia-flood-climate-change</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This misery is going to multiply within the next decade. Heart wrenching&#8230;.</p>
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Devastation in Zambia as climate change brings early flooding</p>
<p>Mukelabai, 25, and her family packed all the belongings they could into a canoe and paddled 24km to safety. After four months they came back to find the roof of their home fallen in and the mudbrick walls crumbling away. She added: &#8220;We are having to start again. There is no food so we are not eating anything. My husband has no job. I worry about the children.&#8221;</p>
<p>Elsewhere, at Soola, the settlement resembled even more closely a desolate refugee camp, with shelters fabricated from thatch and reeds and draped with dirty clothes and blankets. Remnants of sweet potato tubers were scattered on the ground. An area where homes used to be was now a muddy wasteland save for a single door, standing like the freak survivor of a shockwave that vaporised everything else.</p>
<p>Masela Kababa, 30, a mother of three young children, said: &#8220;There isn&#8217;t enough food to feed the children. They all have aching joints and eye infections. There&#8217;s nothing we can do.&#8221;</p>
<p>She was pessimistic. &#8220;This problem is here to stay. I think it will keep happening to the end of time.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/06/zambia-flood-climate-change" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>environment/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>jul/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>06/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>zambia-flood-climate-change</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: James Thomson the second</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-94599</link>
		<dc:creator>James Thomson the second</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KN - Thanks for the link. It&#039;s easy to see where it&#039;s all heading. Countries like the US were already outsourcing their emissions by manufacturing in China and purchasing international offsets. Now they are &quot;invading&quot; foreign coutries through the wonders of the global market, and to use the land for what? Probably to grow biofuel while the locals starve.

No-one seems to want global government. Most are even against the UN having any teeth. But the reality is that the human race has no means to tackle global problems in any sort of equitable way while we are all partitioned into competing countries. Worse still, the real actors are global corporations who just follow the money and ignore national boundaries. 

Climate change can ONLY be solved by reaching equitable agreement. Any other approach leaves parties thinking they are getting the short end of the stick and they won&#039;t join in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KN &#8211; Thanks for the link. It&#8217;s easy to see where it&#8217;s all heading. Countries like the US were already outsourcing their emissions by manufacturing in China and purchasing international offsets. Now they are &#8220;invading&#8221; foreign coutries through the wonders of the global market, and to use the land for what? Probably to grow biofuel while the locals starve.</p>
<p>No-one seems to want global government. Most are even against the UN having any teeth. But the reality is that the human race has no means to tackle global problems in any sort of equitable way while we are all partitioned into competing countries. Worse still, the real actors are global corporations who just follow the money and ignore national boundaries. </p>
<p>Climate change can ONLY be solved by reaching equitable agreement. Any other approach leaves parties thinking they are getting the short end of the stick and they won&#8217;t join in.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Nockels</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-94154</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Nockels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe , off topic but just read this its suppose to come up at the big G-8 next week http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/03/land-grabbing-food-environment
would love to hear your follow-up on this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe , off topic but just read this its suppose to come up at the big G-8 next week <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/03/land-grabbing-food-environment" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>environment/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>jul/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>03/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>land-grabbing-food-environment</a><br />
would love to hear your follow-up on this!</p>
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		<title>By: Will Koroluk</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-94134</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Koroluk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s late in the day, I know, but I sincerely hope all you folk had a good celebration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s late in the day, I know, but I sincerely hope all you folk had a good celebration.</p>
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		<title>By: currency</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-94090</link>
		<dc:creator>currency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fireworks at Don&#039;s are supposed to start at 9:30. We&#039;re gonna watch them from our back porch. It ain&#039;t the best view, but it will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fireworks at Don&#8217;s are supposed to start at 9:30. We&#8217;re gonna watch them from our back porch. It ain&#8217;t the best view, but it will do.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-94058</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only sorta on topic, &quot;Brave new power for the world&quot;:
http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/01/brave-new-power-for-the-world/

IFR would be nice if it works.  Shoulda kept at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only sorta on topic, &#8220;Brave new power for the world&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/01/brave-new-power-for-the-world/" rel="nofollow">http://bravenewclimate.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>07/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>01/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>brave-new-power-for-the-world/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a></p>
<p>IFR would be nice if it works.  Shoulda kept at it.</p>
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		<title>By: From Peru</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/04/the-declaration-of-interdependence/#comment-93969</link>
		<dc:creator>From Peru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government&quot;

This is clearly stating  that the people has the right to overtrown a reactionary goverment by any means, including , if necessary, a popular REVOLUTION.

That is exactly the thing Americans did in 1776, the French in 1789, the Europeans in 1848 and again in 1918 and Russians in 1917 (sadly the 1948 and 1918 revolutions were crushed and the Russian Revolution was betrayed by her own leaders who become the new dictators of the new state). All of them overtrown the socio-economic model ( monarchic feudalism) that was the main obstacle to the People&#039;s Rights and People&#039;s prosperity.

The point is that if we do not do a revolution to stop our  present leaders and our  present socio-economic system (capitalism= massive exploitation of the People and Nature by a group of people avid of richness) destroying our planet, then Mother Nature will rebel against  all of us (exploiters and expoited alike) , and then we will join the dinosaurs and all the other extinct species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government&#8221;</p>
<p>This is clearly stating  that the people has the right to overtrown a reactionary goverment by any means, including , if necessary, a popular REVOLUTION.</p>
<p>That is exactly the thing Americans did in 1776, the French in 1789, the Europeans in 1848 and again in 1918 and Russians in 1917 (sadly the 1948 and 1918 revolutions were crushed and the Russian Revolution was betrayed by her own leaders who become the new dictators of the new state). All of them overtrown the socio-economic model ( monarchic feudalism) that was the main obstacle to the People&#8217;s Rights and People&#8217;s prosperity.</p>
<p>The point is that if we do not do a revolution to stop our  present leaders and our  present socio-economic system (capitalism= massive exploitation of the People and Nature by a group of people avid of richness) destroying our planet, then Mother Nature will rebel against  all of us (exploiters and expoited alike) , and then we will join the dinosaurs and all the other extinct species.</p>
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