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	<title>Comments on: Breaking:  Senate EPW panel won&#8217;t take up climate bill until September &#8212; Boxer</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I have this straight...

The big issue isn&#039;t the yea/nay vote on the bill, but cloture to kill the filibuster, correct?  

If enough senators follow Sherrod Brown&#039;s declaration that he will vote for cloture, this bill should be passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I have this straight&#8230;</p>
<p>The big issue isn&#8217;t the yea/nay vote on the bill, but cloture to kill the filibuster, correct?  </p>
<p>If enough senators follow Sherrod Brown&#8217;s declaration that he will vote for cloture, this bill should be passed.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;metnav&lt;/i&gt; --- Politics isn&#039;t pretty.  At least senators don&#039;t atttack each other with canes anymore...

Seriously, W-M is what we have and it needs to be passed ASAP.  Then we can all start work on a stronger version.  Won&#039;t be easy, but made easier by already having W-M enacted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>metnav</i> &#8212; Politics isn&#8217;t pretty.  At least senators don&#8217;t atttack each other with canes anymore&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously, W-M is what we have and it needs to be passed ASAP.  Then we can all start work on a stronger version.  Won&#8217;t be easy, but made easier by already having W-M enacted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Brandt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Brandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo, you say that the Senate shouldn&#039;t rush with the climate bill, that by next year it will be able to provide a stronger one. That&#039;s probably true, and if only considering internal US politics I&#039;d agree. But what about the importance of having a more-or-less done bill in time for Copenhagen? Developing nations are likely to place more significance in the fact that there is *a* bill, rather than on its details.

Isn&#039;t it a little like your support of Waxman-Markey - it doesn&#039;t really answer the scientific requirements, but the alternative is nothing at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo, you say that the Senate shouldn&#8217;t rush with the climate bill, that by next year it will be able to provide a stronger one. That&#8217;s probably true, and if only considering internal US politics I&#8217;d agree. But what about the importance of having a more-or-less done bill in time for Copenhagen? Developing nations are likely to place more significance in the fact that there is *a* bill, rather than on its details.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it a little like your support of Waxman-Markey &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t really answer the scientific requirements, but the alternative is nothing at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens if or when Sen. Kennedy or Byrd dies? Both are out of the office, extremely ill. I hate to sound callous, but with the planet&#039;s fate riding on this bill...do you think that Boxer is hoping to get their replacements in and voting first...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if or when Sen. Kennedy or Byrd dies? Both are out of the office, extremely ill. I hate to sound callous, but with the planet&#8217;s fate riding on this bill&#8230;do you think that Boxer is hoping to get their replacements in and voting first&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: metnav</title>
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		<dc:creator>metnav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even ten years ago, if I had suggested that the majority party’s proposed bill would be withheld from the minority party two hours from the vote — and then one copy was grudgingly provided, to be shared by all 435 Representatives , you would have looked at me like I was a crazy person…….

Well that’s exactly what happened two weeks ago  Friday when Congress voted on and passed the infamous HR 2454 Cap and Trade/Carbon Emissions Bill. Final vote: 219 Yea, 212 Nay. A little after 3 am on that very same day a 300 page amendment was added to the original 900+ pages. This is the longest suicide note in history and will further hasten our downward economic spiral. The Senate looks to debate it this Fall where it will likely get nowhere. Friday’s vote may have been a gift to the POTUS for the upcoming UN meeting knowing there’s little chance of it getting thru the Senate. Before Friday’s vote I made my feelings known to our Democratic Congressman. I see he voted No but I’ve no idea what his real motivation was. Some that voted Yes received calls 20:1 urging a No vote and they still voted Yes.

This is about more than just higher electricity rates. It’s a massive redistribution of wealth, further limits our freedoms all under the guise of reducing an essential trace greenhouse gas, and does next to nil for energy independence. This Manmade Global Warming/Climate Change House Of Cards is tumbling down. Every week more and more new contrary evidence is seeing the light of day. The Mainstream Media won’t report it, but this vital information is getting out to those that want honest debate on this important issue.

Looking past the Senate this Fall we have the December Copenhagen UN meeting on a new Global Warming Treaty. Remember the Kyoto Treaty? Well you ain’t seen nothing yet. I shudder to think what the U.S. delegation would love to commit us to for years or decades forward. Lastly there’s the EPA waiting in the wings to regulate all things CO2. Recently a leaked string of internal EPA e-mails detailed suppression of evidence that undermines the CO2 argument. Many derided the career EPA employee as not being a climatologist. Well Mr. Carlin has a physics degree. Al Gore is no climatologist or scientist but he’s allowed to testify before Congress on this issue. Madness!

Remember Friday’s vote, because if this horror show is implemented on the American public it will blow up in our face as it has in every country this has been tried. At what cost in dollars and individual freedoms? Mark your calendar in RED, because that is the path we are heading toward. Contact your Senators and ask them if they’re prepared to defend a Yes vote for this misguided Bill. Let them know a NO Vote will ensure your support next election cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even ten years ago, if I had suggested that the majority party’s proposed bill would be withheld from the minority party two hours from the vote — and then one copy was grudgingly provided, to be shared by all 435 Representatives , you would have looked at me like I was a crazy person…….</p>
<p>Well that’s exactly what happened two weeks ago  Friday when Congress voted on and passed the infamous HR 2454 Cap and Trade/Carbon Emissions Bill. Final vote: 219 Yea, 212 Nay. A little after 3 am on that very same day a 300 page amendment was added to the original 900+ pages. This is the longest suicide note in history and will further hasten our downward economic spiral. The Senate looks to debate it this Fall where it will likely get nowhere. Friday’s vote may have been a gift to the POTUS for the upcoming UN meeting knowing there’s little chance of it getting thru the Senate. Before Friday’s vote I made my feelings known to our Democratic Congressman. I see he voted No but I’ve no idea what his real motivation was. Some that voted Yes received calls 20:1 urging a No vote and they still voted Yes.</p>
<p>This is about more than just higher electricity rates. It’s a massive redistribution of wealth, further limits our freedoms all under the guise of reducing an essential trace greenhouse gas, and does next to nil for energy independence. This Manmade Global Warming/Climate Change House Of Cards is tumbling down. Every week more and more new contrary evidence is seeing the light of day. The Mainstream Media won’t report it, but this vital information is getting out to those that want honest debate on this important issue.</p>
<p>Looking past the Senate this Fall we have the December Copenhagen UN meeting on a new Global Warming Treaty. Remember the Kyoto Treaty? Well you ain’t seen nothing yet. I shudder to think what the U.S. delegation would love to commit us to for years or decades forward. Lastly there’s the EPA waiting in the wings to regulate all things CO2. Recently a leaked string of internal EPA e-mails detailed suppression of evidence that undermines the CO2 argument. Many derided the career EPA employee as not being a climatologist. Well Mr. Carlin has a physics degree. Al Gore is no climatologist or scientist but he’s allowed to testify before Congress on this issue. Madness!</p>
<p>Remember Friday’s vote, because if this horror show is implemented on the American public it will blow up in our face as it has in every country this has been tried. At what cost in dollars and individual freedoms? Mark your calendar in RED, because that is the path we are heading toward. Contact your Senators and ask them if they’re prepared to defend a Yes vote for this misguided Bill. Let them know a NO Vote will ensure your support next election cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What &lt;i&gt;David Freeman&lt;/i&gt; wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What <i>David Freeman</i> wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: David Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To some this may be insignificant but thanks for the new format. These older eyes were really struggling before but the content was so important I plowed ahead squinting and straining. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To some this may be insignificant but thanks for the new format. These older eyes were really struggling before but the content was so important I plowed ahead squinting and straining. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: richard sequest</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard sequest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t count on the Senate to do the right thing.  After all, WWII may have been avoided if the senate hadn&#039;t torpedoed Woodrow Wilson&#039;s League of Nations Plan.  We should have a plan B but I think it was Al Gore who said there&#039;s no plan B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t count on the Senate to do the right thing.  After all, WWII may have been avoided if the senate hadn&#8217;t torpedoed Woodrow Wilson&#8217;s League of Nations Plan.  We should have a plan B but I think it was Al Gore who said there&#8217;s no plan B.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress may further delay bill, but CO2 just keeps going up with total disregard of Congress. 
 
CO2 levels are 390.18 measured for May 09.   June is not out yet.

Maybe we should start a pool for guessing the CO2 number when the bill is passed and signed.   

Hmmm September might be 393.0  


http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
http://co2now.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress may further delay bill, but CO2 just keeps going up with total disregard of Congress. </p>
<p>CO2 levels are 390.18 measured for May 09.   June is not out yet.</p>
<p>Maybe we should start a pool for guessing the CO2 number when the bill is passed and signed.   </p>
<p>Hmmm September might be 393.0  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/" rel="nofollow">http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/</a><br />
<a href="http://co2now.org/" rel="nofollow">http://co2now.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Hansen, NASA GISS, writes:

&quot;With a workable climate bill in his pocket, President Obama might have been able to begin building that global consensus in Italy. Instead, it looks as if the delegates from other nations may have done what 219 U.S. House members who voted up Waxman-Markey last month did not: critically read the 1,400-page American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 and deduce that it&#039;s no more fit to rescue our climate than a V-2 rocket was to land a man on the moon.&quot;

From the Huffington Post 07/09/09

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-james-hansen/g-8-failure-reflects-us-f_b_228597.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Hansen, NASA GISS, writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;With a workable climate bill in his pocket, President Obama might have been able to begin building that global consensus in Italy. Instead, it looks as if the delegates from other nations may have done what 219 U.S. House members who voted up Waxman-Markey last month did not: critically read the 1,400-page American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 and deduce that it&#8217;s no more fit to rescue our climate than a V-2 rocket was to land a man on the moon.&#8221;</p>
<p>From the Huffington Post 07/09/09</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-james-hansen/g-8-failure-reflects-us-f_b_228597.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>dr-james-hansen/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>g-8-failure-reflects-us-f_b_228597.html</a></p>
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