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	<title>Comments on: Energy and Environmental News for July 10th: L.A.&#8217;s &#8220;coal free&#8221; vow scuttles Utah power-plant expansion; Climate targets around the world</title>
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		<title>By: djrabbit</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/10/energy-and-environmental-news-climate-targets-around-the-world/#comment-98949</link>
		<dc:creator>djrabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KJ

&lt;i&gt;If Waxman-Markey was in effect, would Los Angeles take this kind of action knowing that its reduced use of coal power would simply allow more use of coal power elsewhere&lt;/I&gt;

In a sense, LA&#039;s decision &quot;allows&quot; that even before ACES -- their decision allows others to emit more without before we reach a climactic tipping point. But ACES gives an additional motivation, namely that new coal becomes too expensive to justify itself, because new coal plants calculate their ROI over the next 30 years, and the cap will start to bite well before then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KJ</p>
<p><i>If Waxman-Markey was in effect, would Los Angeles take this kind of action knowing that its reduced use of coal power would simply allow more use of coal power elsewhere</i></p>
<p>In a sense, LA&#8217;s decision &#8220;allows&#8221; that even before ACES &#8212; their decision allows others to emit more without before we reach a climactic tipping point. But ACES gives an additional motivation, namely that new coal becomes too expensive to justify itself, because new coal plants calculate their ROI over the next 30 years, and the cap will start to bite well before then.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, post #11 was not posted by me. 

Is there a security issue?

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Probably not.  Most likely a vestige of the transition.  Will monitor.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, post #11 was not posted by me. </p>
<p>Is there a security issue?</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Probably not.  Most likely a vestige of the transition.  Will monitor.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Asteroid Miner</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/10/energy-and-environmental-news-climate-targets-around-the-world/#comment-98818</link>
		<dc:creator>Asteroid Miner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/10/energy-and-environmental-news-climate-targets-around-the-world/#comment-98795</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American Reset!
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7886800</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American Reset!<br />
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7886800" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7886800</a></p>
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		<title>By: Berbalang</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/10/energy-and-environmental-news-climate-targets-around-the-world/#comment-98787</link>
		<dc:creator>Berbalang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to get into how I know this, but one denial organization charged by the denial and had a price list detailing how much they charged to write an article, write a paper, write a book, give a talk, etc.  This is not discussion, it is denial for hire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to get into how I know this, but one denial organization charged by the denial and had a price list detailing how much they charged to write an article, write a paper, write a book, give a talk, etc.  This is not discussion, it is denial for hire.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent Newsy.com video analyzed media coverage on the progress (or lack thereof) made on carbon emissions at the G8 summit. One cited international source, Xinhua News from China, had this to say about what it saw as a double standard: “While being vague about targets for themselves, the G8 leaders took a tougher position against emerging economies.”

Obviously, China, along with India and Brazil, is one of the strongest emerging economies, if not the strongest, in the world, and has much to lose from tougher carbon restrictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent Newsy.com video analyzed media coverage on the progress (or lack thereof) made on carbon emissions at the G8 summit. One cited international source, Xinhua News from China, had this to say about what it saw as a double standard: “While being vague about targets for themselves, the G8 leaders took a tougher position against emerging economies.”</p>
<p>Obviously, China, along with India and Brazil, is one of the strongest emerging economies, if not the strongest, in the world, and has much to lose from tougher carbon restrictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, kudos to Nick Thomas (above) the UK PR flack for Exxon uk.publicaffairs@exxonmobil.com  by claiming they have been boy scouts all along. And gosh they like science. 

He still is weighted in denial that any carbon fuel combustion is harmful. (until we can make a carbon fuel that burns clean) The best we can do now is shut down coal, then move to shut down oil.  Not firesale the last drops. 

He misses the point that under the US financial system EXXON has a fiduciary responsibility to deliver profit - and that can and must include rapacious and unethical acts of deceit in pursuit of that profit.  Maybe not so in Britain.  

The oil and coal industries have been suborning the murder of our grandchildren.  They try to escape this charge by challenging the science and smearing scientists.  In England they may be a bit more civilized, but they are not yet fully honest about their role in promoting this. 

Don&#039;t we all have a right to know the consequences of (y)our actions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, kudos to Nick Thomas (above) the UK PR flack for Exxon <a href="mailto:uk.publicaffairs@exxonmobil.com">uk.publicaffairs@exxonmobil.com</a>  by claiming they have been boy scouts all along. And gosh they like science. </p>
<p>He still is weighted in denial that any carbon fuel combustion is harmful. (until we can make a carbon fuel that burns clean) The best we can do now is shut down coal, then move to shut down oil.  Not firesale the last drops. </p>
<p>He misses the point that under the US financial system EXXON has a fiduciary responsibility to deliver profit &#8211; and that can and must include rapacious and unethical acts of deceit in pursuit of that profit.  Maybe not so in Britain.  </p>
<p>The oil and coal industries have been suborning the murder of our grandchildren.  They try to escape this charge by challenging the science and smearing scientists.  In England they may be a bit more civilized, but they are not yet fully honest about their role in promoting this. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we all have a right to know the consequences of (y)our actions?</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here we begin to see why 2&#176;s is going to be crushing. 
The year on year effects of extreme events will become overbearing for many regions and states including well healed ones like the US. (and were only at a 0.8&#176; increase now)

Caribbean struggles to recover from &#039;08 hurricanes
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/haiti/story/1135690.html
...
The Caribbean is still struggling to recover from last year&#039;s hurricanes, with crews scrambling to rebuild homes and replant crops as the region faces a new season of storms.

Last year was one of the most active seasons in more than six decades, with 15 of 18 Caribbean nations reporting damages, according to the Caribbean Development Bank.

At least six major storms caused an estimated $355 million in damages from the Bahamas to the Dominican Republic in 2008, Pamela Knights, of the Caribbean Disaster Emergency Response Agency, said Thursday.

The total damage is considered to be much higher: Haiti -- which was most affected -- is not included on the list and several islands did not submit reports. Haitian officials have said that four tropical storms caused $1 billion in damages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here we begin to see why 2&deg;s is going to be crushing.<br />
The year on year effects of extreme events will become overbearing for many regions and states including well healed ones like the US. (and were only at a 0.8&deg; increase now)</p>
<p>Caribbean struggles to recover from &#8216;08 hurricanes<br />
<a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/haiti/story/1135690.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.miamiherald.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>news/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>americas/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>haiti/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>story/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>1135690.html</a><br />
&#8230;<br />
The Caribbean is still struggling to recover from last year&#8217;s hurricanes, with crews scrambling to rebuild homes and replant crops as the region faces a new season of storms.</p>
<p>Last year was one of the most active seasons in more than six decades, with 15 of 18 Caribbean nations reporting damages, according to the Caribbean Development Bank.</p>
<p>At least six major storms caused an estimated $355 million in damages from the Bahamas to the Dominican Republic in 2008, Pamela Knights, of the Caribbean Disaster Emergency Response Agency, said Thursday.</p>
<p>The total damage is considered to be much higher: Haiti &#8212; which was most affected &#8212; is not included on the list and several islands did not submit reports. Haitian officials have said that four tropical storms caused $1 billion in damages.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ExxonMobil is not a climate change denier

We have the same concerns as everyone on energy and greenhouse gas emissions, says Nick Thomas
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/10/response-exxon-mobil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ExxonMobil is not a climate change denier</p>
<p>We have the same concerns as everyone on energy and greenhouse gas emissions, says Nick Thomas<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/10/response-exxon-mobil" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>commentisfree/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>jul/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>10/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>response-exxon-mobil</a></p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/10/energy-and-environmental-news-climate-targets-around-the-world/#comment-98765</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insurance industry coming out of the closet! 

Cool-Planet Goal Shared by Large Polluters, Insurers 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=adXgnJDUbhK0
...
The 2-degree cap, supported by the EU since 1996, has gained acceptance from insurers, one of the first corporate converts.

“The worrisome fact is that we do not know exactly what will happen for instance in a ‘3-degree-world,’” said Eberhard Faust, head of climate risk at Munich Re. “Science hints at strong adverse effects beyond this cap.” ...
If left unchecked, global warming may make the cost of some insurance “unbearable,” he said in an interview. 
...
“Even a 2 degree temperature rise is likely to lead to more intense storms, some significant droughts and a largely unknown effect on sea level,” Lloyd’s Maynard said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insurance industry coming out of the closet! </p>
<p>Cool-Planet Goal Shared by Large Polluters, Insurers<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=adXgnJDUbhK0" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>apps/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=adXgnJDUbhK0</a><br />
&#8230;<br />
The 2-degree cap, supported by the EU since 1996, has gained acceptance from insurers, one of the first corporate converts.</p>
<p>“The worrisome fact is that we do not know exactly what will happen for instance in a ‘3-degree-world,’” said Eberhard Faust, head of climate risk at Munich Re. “Science hints at strong adverse effects beyond this cap.” &#8230;<br />
If left unchecked, global warming may make the cost of some insurance “unbearable,” he said in an interview.<br />
&#8230;<br />
“Even a 2 degree temperature rise is likely to lead to more intense storms, some significant droughts and a largely unknown effect on sea level,” Lloyd’s Maynard said.</p>
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