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	<title>Comments on: NYT&#8217;s Revkin persists in selling spin from long-wrong deniers that the IPCC overestimates the danger from warming, when the reverse is true</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fairness to Andy Revkin, he played a big part in exposing the censorship of certain climate scientists at NASA in 2006-2007. See Mark Bowen&#039;s book &lt;i&gt;Censoring Science&lt;/i&gt; (NY: Dutton, 2008)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness to Andy Revkin, he played a big part in exposing the censorship of certain climate scientists at NASA in 2006-2007. See Mark Bowen&#8217;s book <i>Censoring Science</i> (NY: Dutton, 2008)</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric, I am under no illusions that Revkin dictates NYT policy, but I am still not convinced that he is sincerely trying to bring more coverage to the front page.  He seems content to define his limited niche.  And as a matter of fact, there are a number of heros who have risked comfortable positions, and more, to do what&#039;s right - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famous_whistleblowers.  I see no evidence that Revkin is among them, and given that he has unparalleled influence and opportunity, I remain unimpressed by his boring stories of how he traveled here there and everywhere to describe his first hand witnessing of climate carnage.

I believe by virtue of his position, he has a responsibility to be more factual about the imminent dangers of climate change than he has been so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric, I am under no illusions that Revkin dictates NYT policy, but I am still not convinced that he is sincerely trying to bring more coverage to the front page.  He seems content to define his limited niche.  And as a matter of fact, there are a number of heros who have risked comfortable positions, and more, to do what&#8217;s right &#8211; see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famous_whistleblowers" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>wiki/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>List_of_famous_whistleblowers</a>.  I see no evidence that Revkin is among them, and given that he has unparalleled influence and opportunity, I remain unimpressed by his boring stories of how he traveled here there and everywhere to describe his first hand witnessing of climate carnage.</p>
<p>I believe by virtue of his position, he has a responsibility to be more factual about the imminent dangers of climate change than he has been so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Merritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gail, #9:  A long-time NYT subscriber, I agree with your opinion that their coverage of climate is inadequate.  The editorials are earnest but quiet.  I suggested long ago (maybe it was on Dot Earth) that they make them bolder and put them on the front page.  And generally beef up climate coverage, something that has happened, but only belatedly and not enough.

But please don&#039;t insist that Andy R hold his breath and turn blue until editorial policy improves.  You might as well require him to don a stretchy uniform and cape and fly around rescuing people from train wrecks.  Terrific idea, but not an available option.  I&#039;m confident his influence on the whole institution is minor.  If you want to take an uncompromising, moralistic stance, feel free to insist he resign (the sort of sacrifice few of us are saintly enough to make), but there&#039;s no way he determines what goes on the front page every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail, #9:  A long-time NYT subscriber, I agree with your opinion that their coverage of climate is inadequate.  The editorials are earnest but quiet.  I suggested long ago (maybe it was on Dot Earth) that they make them bolder and put them on the front page.  And generally beef up climate coverage, something that has happened, but only belatedly and not enough.</p>
<p>But please don&#8217;t insist that Andy R hold his breath and turn blue until editorial policy improves.  You might as well require him to don a stretchy uniform and cape and fly around rescuing people from train wrecks.  Terrific idea, but not an available option.  I&#8217;m confident his influence on the whole institution is minor.  If you want to take an uncompromising, moralistic stance, feel free to insist he resign (the sort of sacrifice few of us are saintly enough to make), but there&#8217;s no way he determines what goes on the front page every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2009/04/12/hesaid_shesaid.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He Said, She Said Journalism: Lame Formula in the Land of the Active User&lt;/a&gt;

Though it&#039;s far beyond lame, considering what&#039;s at stake.  

This one would probably have been edited by Erica Goode, unless she was out for some reason; could someone please email her (via the link on &lt;a href=&quot;http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/g/erica_goode/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; to find out, and report back?  Her young relatives will want to know.

Thanks PaulM for the Newsweek piece.  Maybe we should send that to Ms. Goode as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2009/04/12/hesaid_shesaid.html" rel="nofollow">He Said, She Said Journalism: Lame Formula in the Land of the Active User</a></p>
<p>Though it&#8217;s far beyond lame, considering what&#8217;s at stake.  </p>
<p>This one would probably have been edited by Erica Goode, unless she was out for some reason; could someone please email her (via the link on <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/g/erica_goode/index.html" rel="nofollow">this page</a> to find out, and report back?  Her young relatives will want to know.</p>
<p>Thanks PaulM for the Newsweek piece.  Maybe we should send that to Ms. Goode as well.</p>
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		<title>By: SecularAnimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>SecularAnimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read or listen to or watch the corporate-owned mass media, you will read and hear and see corporate propaganda.  To expect anything else is silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read or listen to or watch the corporate-owned mass media, you will read and hear and see corporate propaganda.  To expect anything else is silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something is very wrong at the New York Times.  I have some theories as to what it could be, but they&#039;re pretty wild.

I wish we could get the whole truth from the horse&#039;s mouth.

&quot;If you can&#039;t blurt out the truth, what business are you in?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something is very wrong at the New York Times.  I have some theories as to what it could be, but they&#8217;re pretty wild.</p>
<p>I wish we could get the whole truth from the horse&#8217;s mouth.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you can&#8217;t blurt out the truth, what business are you in?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jorleh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jorleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said this Revkin is one of the great threats for humankind. The guy is read thousand times more frequently than Joe´s blog and we know what that means. I would see the time the Revkin disaster is changed for Joe in NYT. Why not?

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Can&#039;t agree (nor do I want his job).  The world would be better off if there were many more Revkins -- and the NYT, for all the flaws in its coverage, is to be commended for having such an extensive science and climate team, in a world where most media outlets are shedding such jobs.

I focus on Revkin in large part because he works for the paper of record and has such a high level of output, print and blog.  He has done much terrific reporting on climate both by himself and as part of the NYT&#039;s team.  Yes, I have big problems with his take on many things and who he chooses to quote from his big Rolodex.  Since he can get detailed interviews with any top scientists in the world, why quote the likes of Pielke or Christy, people who exist only to throws sand in the eyes of the very public he is supposed to be informing?

But I have no doubt that readers of his articles are more informed and more concerned about global warming than the public as a whole.

I will say in general that, as they say of political leaders, we get the media we deserve.  When future generations lay blame for destroying their livable climate, the media will be on the list, for sure, but the real threats to human kind are those who are actively pushing disinformation -- a very long list -- not NYT science reporters (well, other than Tierney).&lt;/em&gt;] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said this Revkin is one of the great threats for humankind. The guy is read thousand times more frequently than Joe´s blog and we know what that means. I would see the time the Revkin disaster is changed for Joe in NYT. Why not?</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Can't agree (nor do I want his job).  The world would be better off if there were many more Revkins -- and the NYT, for all the flaws in its coverage, is to be commended for having such an extensive science and climate team, in a world where most media outlets are shedding such jobs.</p>
<p>I focus on Revkin in large part because he works for the paper of record and has such a high level of output, print and blog.  He has done much terrific reporting on climate both by himself and as part of the NYT's team.  Yes, I have big problems with his take on many things and who he chooses to quote from his big Rolodex.  Since he can get detailed interviews with any top scientists in the world, why quote the likes of Pielke or Christy, people who exist only to throws sand in the eyes of the very public he is supposed to be informing?</p>
<p>But I have no doubt that readers of his articles are more informed and more concerned about global warming than the public as a whole.</p>
<p>I will say in general that, as they say of political leaders, we get the media we deserve.  When future generations lay blame for destroying their livable climate, the media will be on the list, for sure, but the real threats to human kind are those who are actively pushing disinformation -- a very long list -- not NYT science reporters (well, other than Tierney).</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All together now.

The National Academies ....
National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council.

http://americasclimatechoices.org/

In response to a request from Congress, the National Academies have launched America&#039;s Climate Choices, a suite of studies designed to inform and guide responses to climate change across the nation. Experts representing various levels of government, the private sector, nongovernmental organizations, and research and academic institutions have been selected to serve on four panels and an overarching committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All together now.</p>
<p>The National Academies &#8230;.<br />
National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council.</p>
<p><a href="http://americasclimatechoices.org/" rel="nofollow">http://americasclimatechoices.org/</a></p>
<p>In response to a request from Congress, the National Academies have launched America&#8217;s Climate Choices, a suite of studies designed to inform and guide responses to climate change across the nation. Experts representing various levels of government, the private sector, nongovernmental organizations, and research and academic institutions have been selected to serve on four panels and an overarching committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slamming the MSM - most all mass media is built upon decades of huge advertising revenue derived from carbon fuel industries.   It would be very difficult to attack this

&quot;It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.&quot;   Upton Sinclair

Or as the British put it in their recent report on the causes of the financial mess:

&quot;...the failure to foresee the timing, extent and severity of the crisis and to head it off, while it had many causes, was principally a failure of the collective imagination of many bright people, both in this country and internationally, to understand the risks to the system as a whole.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slamming the MSM &#8211; most all mass media is built upon decades of huge advertising revenue derived from carbon fuel industries.   It would be very difficult to attack this</p>
<p>&#8220;It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.&#8221;   Upton Sinclair</p>
<p>Or as the British put it in their recent report on the causes of the financial mess:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the failure to foresee the timing, extent and severity of the crisis and to head it off, while it had many causes, was principally a failure of the collective imagination of many bright people, both in this country and internationally, to understand the risks to the system as a whole.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy Jones, my perception is that Andy Revkin enjoys for personal reasons being regent of his dot earth fiefdom, which has been aptly described as a climate change ghetto.

Aside from dissembling and giving a ridiculous amount of equal time to nonsense about which there is no longer any real scientific debate, if Andy Revkin sincerely wanted to contribute to public awareness of the extreme danger posed to human civilization (not to mention the other species we share the earth with) by climate change, he would refuse to enable the topic to be marginalized and insist on at a minimum one major story every day ON THE FRONT PAGE of the NYT.

Instead he preens in a self-congratulatory monopoly in a marginalized section of the paper where only the already climate change aware, or denier trolls, take the trouble to visit.

I gave up reading dot earth years ago, it is way behind the curve of sites like climateprogress, realclimate, and even many less well known blogs to which links can be found at both of those sites, all of which encourage lively debate and input from readers as opposed to pure unadulterated self-aggrandizement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy Jones, my perception is that Andy Revkin enjoys for personal reasons being regent of his dot earth fiefdom, which has been aptly described as a climate change ghetto.</p>
<p>Aside from dissembling and giving a ridiculous amount of equal time to nonsense about which there is no longer any real scientific debate, if Andy Revkin sincerely wanted to contribute to public awareness of the extreme danger posed to human civilization (not to mention the other species we share the earth with) by climate change, he would refuse to enable the topic to be marginalized and insist on at a minimum one major story every day ON THE FRONT PAGE of the NYT.</p>
<p>Instead he preens in a self-congratulatory monopoly in a marginalized section of the paper where only the already climate change aware, or denier trolls, take the trouble to visit.</p>
<p>I gave up reading dot earth years ago, it is way behind the curve of sites like climateprogress, realclimate, and even many less well known blogs to which links can be found at both of those sites, all of which encourage lively debate and input from readers as opposed to pure unadulterated self-aggrandizement.</p>
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