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	<title>Comments on: Coal lobby hires top GOP voter-fraud company to run massive &#8220;grassroots&#8221; efforts to undermine climate and clean energy action</title>
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		<title>By: cal mason</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-240048</link>
		<dc:creator>cal mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rush Limbaugh loves GM cars and says so on his program.
GM pays him well to say so.

Rush Limbaugh says climate change is a hoax.
Climate change might be disputed but it can not be a &#039;hoax&#039;
The only reason for him to say something so ridiculous is,

the coal companies pay him well to say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rush Limbaugh loves GM cars and says so on his program.<br />
GM pays him well to say so.</p>
<p>Rush Limbaugh says climate change is a hoax.<br />
Climate change might be disputed but it can not be a &#8216;hoax&#8217;<br />
The only reason for him to say something so ridiculous is,</p>
<p>the coal companies pay him well to say so.</p>
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		<title>By: JRW</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102429</link>
		<dc:creator>JRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By remarkable coincidence today&#039;s NY Times tells the tale:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/politics/12firings.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By remarkable coincidence today&#8217;s NY Times tells the tale:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/politics/12firings.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>08/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>12/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>us/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>politics/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>12firings.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JRW</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102285</link>
		<dc:creator>JRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those persuaded that the peril from organized subversion of elections is paramount among our most pressing concerns pefer applying the term &quot;electoral fraud&quot; to Lincoln Strategies&#039; shenanigans.

Failure to investigate &quot;voter fraud&quot; was the rationale for the US Attorney firings that surfaced during congressional investigations of the Bush Justice Department.

For years the GOP has alleged widespread fraudulent registration impacts on election outcomes, a contention that has never been proved.

Electoral fraud is the catagory reserved by reform advocates to distinguish from implausible GOP claims that voters constitute a greater threat to democracy than corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those persuaded that the peril from organized subversion of elections is paramount among our most pressing concerns pefer applying the term &#8220;electoral fraud&#8221; to Lincoln Strategies&#8217; shenanigans.</p>
<p>Failure to investigate &#8220;voter fraud&#8221; was the rationale for the US Attorney firings that surfaced during congressional investigations of the Bush Justice Department.</p>
<p>For years the GOP has alleged widespread fraudulent registration impacts on election outcomes, a contention that has never been proved.</p>
<p>Electoral fraud is the catagory reserved by reform advocates to distinguish from implausible GOP claims that voters constitute a greater threat to democracy than corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: J4zonian</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102096</link>
		<dc:creator>J4zonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will we realize it&#039;s time for serious enough actions to actually prevent this kind of abuse? 

We need to impose capital punishment on corporations who engage in such outrageously destructive behaviors. The corporation should have its charter revoked and its assetts sold off; the board of directors and everyone who was involved in the decision-making should be fined some multiple of the amount they profited, imprisoned and banned from ever working in their field or participating in corporate decision-making again, and the money should be used to pay restitution to victims and to bolster laws and enforcement against both corporate crime and the legalized bribery that allows it to happen over and over. 

In no time at all, what little attention this issue gets will be verbatim repetitions of the PR campaign launched to deny, minimize, and obscure the crime. We know that because it&#039;s what happens every time this cycle repeats. We have to prevent that or it will happen again, starting immediately. Write to your elected officials, protest creatively enough to media attention, and don&#039;t stop until this stops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will we realize it&#8217;s time for serious enough actions to actually prevent this kind of abuse? </p>
<p>We need to impose capital punishment on corporations who engage in such outrageously destructive behaviors. The corporation should have its charter revoked and its assetts sold off; the board of directors and everyone who was involved in the decision-making should be fined some multiple of the amount they profited, imprisoned and banned from ever working in their field or participating in corporate decision-making again, and the money should be used to pay restitution to victims and to bolster laws and enforcement against both corporate crime and the legalized bribery that allows it to happen over and over. </p>
<p>In no time at all, what little attention this issue gets will be verbatim repetitions of the PR campaign launched to deny, minimize, and obscure the crime. We know that because it&#8217;s what happens every time this cycle repeats. We have to prevent that or it will happen again, starting immediately. Write to your elected officials, protest creatively enough to media attention, and don&#8217;t stop until this stops.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102079</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Paul Krugman&#039;s column Aug. 6:

&quot;There was a telling incident at a town hall held by Representative Gene Green, D-Tex. An activist turned to his fellow attendees and asked if they “oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care.” Nearly all did. Then Representative Green asked how many of those present were on Medicare. Almost half raised their hands.&quot;  

So, you tell me.  Are these people the informed electorate or are they limbaugh-listeners who are paid to attend these meetings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Paul Krugman&#8217;s column Aug. 6:</p>
<p>&#8220;There was a telling incident at a town hall held by Representative Gene Green, D-Tex. An activist turned to his fellow attendees and asked if they “oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care.” Nearly all did. Then Representative Green asked how many of those present were on Medicare. Almost half raised their hands.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So, you tell me.  Are these people the informed electorate or are they limbaugh-listeners who are paid to attend these meetings?</p>
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		<title>By: Klem</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102077</link>
		<dc:creator>Klem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha! I love it! You folks are sure freaking-out over these town hall meetings. What if the people at these meeting are there legitimately, rather than planted there by “Big Coal”? Ooooh scary. I’d say you folks understand that you’re losing! Ha! In your face!

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Yes, I understand that your side sees it as them winning vs. us &quot;losing.&quot;  Future generations, however, will see it as your side winning and the next 100 billion people to walk the earth losing a livable climate.  But you just go on rooting for your team as if the issue actually had no substance to it whatsoever -- that&#039;s what you all are best at any way.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha! I love it! You folks are sure freaking-out over these town hall meetings. What if the people at these meeting are there legitimately, rather than planted there by “Big Coal”? Ooooh scary. I’d say you folks understand that you’re losing! Ha! In your face!</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Yes, I understand that your side sees it as them winning vs. us "losing."  Future generations, however, will see it as your side winning and the next 100 billion people to walk the earth losing a livable climate.  But you just go on rooting for your team as if the issue actually had no substance to it whatsoever -- that's what you all are best at any way.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102072</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

The Koch family is a powerful group.  One brother, Bill, is the money behind the Alliance for Nantucket Sound which is fighting the Cape Wind project in Massachusetts.  The other brother, David (the 19th richest man in the world),  is one of the people behind the disruption of the Town Hall Meetings around the health care issue,  which was exposed on Rachel Maddow&#039;s show last week.  He is the chair of &quot;Americans for Prosperity&quot; which is busing people all across the country to attend these town hall meetings and disrupt them.    

I don&#039;t know if the Cape Wind project will ever get built,  because the Kochs know how to use the legal system to delay and obstruct and have the money to keep suing. 

As an aside, the Koch patriarch helped establish the John Birch Society. 

DeSmogBlog has a list of all the Koch companies, 

http://www.desmogblog.com/koch-industries-inc-holdings-investments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>The Koch family is a powerful group.  One brother, Bill, is the money behind the Alliance for Nantucket Sound which is fighting the Cape Wind project in Massachusetts.  The other brother, David (the 19th richest man in the world),  is one of the people behind the disruption of the Town Hall Meetings around the health care issue,  which was exposed on Rachel Maddow&#8217;s show last week.  He is the chair of &#8220;Americans for Prosperity&#8221; which is busing people all across the country to attend these town hall meetings and disrupt them.    </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the Cape Wind project will ever get built,  because the Kochs know how to use the legal system to delay and obstruct and have the money to keep suing. </p>
<p>As an aside, the Koch patriarch helped establish the John Birch Society. </p>
<p>DeSmogBlog has a list of all the Koch companies, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/koch-industries-inc-holdings-investments" rel="nofollow">http://www.desmogblog.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>koch-industries-inc-holdings-investments</a></p>
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		<title>By: AlexJ</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102071</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carl, 

Yes it has mysteriously disappeared. However, the Google cached version from July 25th still exists as I write this:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:vRuwqjkRMuwJ:www.linkedin.com/in/courtneyforrester+http://www.linkedin.com/in/courtneyforrester&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=firefox-a

Not sure how long this will be around before it expires, so I &quot;printed&quot; it to a pdf file as well, so I can review it later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carl, </p>
<p>Yes it has mysteriously disappeared. However, the Google cached version from July 25th still exists as I write this:<br />
<a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:vRuwqjkRMuwJ:www.linkedin.com/in/courtneyforrester+http://www.linkedin.com/in/courtneyforrester&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:vRuwqjkRMuwJ:www.linkedin.com/in/courtneyforrester+http://www.linkedin.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>in/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>courtneyforrester&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=firefox-a</a></p>
<p>Not sure how long this will be around before it expires, so I &#8220;printed&#8221; it to a pdf file as well, so I can review it later.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Chenery</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102062</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Chenery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice the Linkedin Profile for Lincoln Strategies staffer Courtney Forrester has been removed. 
Did anyone get a screenshot before it was removed?

Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice the Linkedin Profile for Lincoln Strategies staffer Courtney Forrester has been removed.<br />
Did anyone get a screenshot before it was removed?</p>
<p>Carl</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Huggins</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/#comment-102056</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Huggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is soon coming time to start boycotting the products and companies that support this stuff.  For example, if I&#039;m not mistaken (although please look it up on their websites to make sure), I think that the huge privately-held company &quot;Koch&quot; (pronounced as in coke, I believe) owns Georgia Pacific, the maker of many consumer goods you buy every day.  Koch supports, based on what I&#039;ve read, groups that try to deny/confuse/delay when it comes to climate change.  They are also a very big refiner and piper of petroleum.  Soon, it will be time to stop buying Georgia Pacific products.  This would be the fair and sensible way for a &quot;free market&quot; to react, among other ways too.  Time to sell your stock in these companies that are doing harm to the planet.    

There are many consumer brands that are owned by these companies, including the brands of gasoline of course.  So, it&#039;s getting very close -- very -- to the time when we should all stop buying those products.  No joke.  

That includes some media brands and products too.  Most of the media are not really, genuinely, doing their jobs to serve the public good on this issue.  Time for them to start doing so, or let&#039;s switch to other media.  

Be Well, 

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is soon coming time to start boycotting the products and companies that support this stuff.  For example, if I&#8217;m not mistaken (although please look it up on their websites to make sure), I think that the huge privately-held company &#8220;Koch&#8221; (pronounced as in coke, I believe) owns Georgia Pacific, the maker of many consumer goods you buy every day.  Koch supports, based on what I&#8217;ve read, groups that try to deny/confuse/delay when it comes to climate change.  They are also a very big refiner and piper of petroleum.  Soon, it will be time to stop buying Georgia Pacific products.  This would be the fair and sensible way for a &#8220;free market&#8221; to react, among other ways too.  Time to sell your stock in these companies that are doing harm to the planet.    </p>
<p>There are many consumer brands that are owned by these companies, including the brands of gasoline of course.  So, it&#8217;s getting very close &#8212; very &#8212; to the time when we should all stop buying those products.  No joke.  </p>
<p>That includes some media brands and products too.  Most of the media are not really, genuinely, doing their jobs to serve the public good on this issue.  Time for them to start doing so, or let&#8217;s switch to other media.  </p>
<p>Be Well, </p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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