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	<title>Comments on: Are walruses the latest canaries in the climate-destroying coal-mine?</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Gelbart</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/09/19/dead-walruses-endangered-species-climate-change/#comment-170217</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Gelbart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt climate change caused this.  Walruses survived during the most recent interglacial, the Sangamonian, when the north polar ice cap melted completely.  Walruses used to live as far south as South Carolina and probably Florida.  Human overhunting is probably the cause of their historical range reduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt climate change caused this.  Walruses survived during the most recent interglacial, the Sangamonian, when the north polar ice cap melted completely.  Walruses used to live as far south as South Carolina and probably Florida.  Human overhunting is probably the cause of their historical range reduction.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert E. Phelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert E. Phelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike D.

I can&#039;t claim expertise on the subject, but I do believe trampling, even by marine mammals, leaves very little blood.  I could find only one photo of a known trampled walrus here:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/15/stampedes_kill_thousands_of_walruses/ 

notice any difference? I&#039;m content to wait for the reports from the marine biologists on the scene before demanding action, but if I were absolutely forced to speculate, I&#039;d suggest forming a posse to round up the usual Inuit poaching suspects and see if they are in possession of a hundred sets of walrus ivory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike D.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t claim expertise on the subject, but I do believe trampling, even by marine mammals, leaves very little blood.  I could find only one photo of a known trampled walrus here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/15/stampedes_kill_thousands_of_walruses/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>news/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>nation/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>articles/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2007/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>12/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>15/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>stampedes_kill_thousands_of_walruses/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a> </p>
<p>notice any difference? I&#8217;m content to wait for the reports from the marine biologists on the scene before demanding action, but if I were absolutely forced to speculate, I&#8217;d suggest forming a posse to round up the usual Inuit poaching suspects and see if they are in possession of a hundred sets of walrus ivory.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Ritman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Ritman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark H.the reason people are throughing hate and blame at our civilization and species is because our activities ruining this planet and driving many other species towards extiction.We do not have the right to do this.We are pimates with big brains that took a long time to evolve.We should start using them to preserve this planet..not destroy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark H.the reason people are throughing hate and blame at our civilization and species is because our activities ruining this planet and driving many other species towards extiction.We do not have the right to do this.We are pimates with big brains that took a long time to evolve.We should start using them to preserve this planet..not destroy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It might be a good idea to take a close look at the photo again. Every one of those carcasses seems to be bleeding from the head.&quot;

You would have blood coming out of your head too if all your internal organs were crushed by thousands of tons of stampeding marine mammal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It might be a good idea to take a close look at the photo again. Every one of those carcasses seems to be bleeding from the head.&#8221;</p>
<p>You would have blood coming out of your head too if all your internal organs were crushed by thousands of tons of stampeding marine mammal.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/09/19/dead-walruses-endangered-species-climate-change/#comment-120819</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, people often also don&#039;t understand how evolution works.  Species are dependent on each other, and on a stable environment.  You can&#039;t alter a major component - say, temperature - without triggering mass extinctions.  It&#039;s all clear in the paleoclimatic record.

I have spent this morning writing to my two senators and all the others mentioned in this article http://www.soundingsonline.com/news/todays-top-stories/240882-ethanol-bill-introduced-in-senate about the reckless addition of ethanol to gasoline, and also the attempt in the Senate to limit the EPA regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, which would be a travesty:  http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/09/18/18climatewire-gop-senator-considering-rider-to-limit-epa-a-46507.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, people often also don&#8217;t understand how evolution works.  Species are dependent on each other, and on a stable environment.  You can&#8217;t alter a major component &#8211; say, temperature &#8211; without triggering mass extinctions.  It&#8217;s all clear in the paleoclimatic record.</p>
<p>I have spent this morning writing to my two senators and all the others mentioned in this article <a href="http://www.soundingsonline.com/news/todays-top-stories/240882-ethanol-bill-introduced-in-senate" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundingsonline.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>news/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>todays-top-stories/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>240882-ethanol-bill-introduced-in-senate</a> about the reckless addition of ethanol to gasoline, and also the attempt in the Senate to limit the EPA regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, which would be a travesty:  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/09/18/18climatewire-gop-senator-considering-rider-to-limit-epa-a-46507.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>cwire/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>09/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>18/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>18climatewire-gop-senator-considering-rider-to-limit-epa-a-46507.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The folks who try to put up a firewall between what global warming is doing to other species, and its impact on humans, simply don&#039;t understand how ecosystems work.

As Lovelock pointed out, Donne was right -- to paraphrase, Man is not an island - we are a part of a fabric, and  we are ripping it with a casualness that can only displayed by those ignorant of its existence and its consequences.  

There&#039;s a case to be made for a moral and ethical responsibility to protect and preserve other species.  But there is also a more pragamatic case -- what we do to other species, we do also to ourselves.  

So that is the source of the guilt and loathing you detect.  As Elizabeth Kolbert put it in the conclusion of her excellent book, Field Notes from a Catastrophe, 

&quot;It may seem impossible to imagine that a technologically advanced society could choose, in essence, to destroy itself, but that is what we are now in the process of doing.&quot; 

the fact that we are taking 70% of the speicies down with us, is just that much more heinous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The folks who try to put up a firewall between what global warming is doing to other species, and its impact on humans, simply don&#8217;t understand how ecosystems work.</p>
<p>As Lovelock pointed out, Donne was right &#8212; to paraphrase, Man is not an island &#8211; we are a part of a fabric, and  we are ripping it with a casualness that can only displayed by those ignorant of its existence and its consequences.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a case to be made for a moral and ethical responsibility to protect and preserve other species.  But there is also a more pragamatic case &#8212; what we do to other species, we do also to ourselves.  </p>
<p>So that is the source of the guilt and loathing you detect.  As Elizabeth Kolbert put it in the conclusion of her excellent book, Field Notes from a Catastrophe, </p>
<p>&#8220;It may seem impossible to imagine that a technologically advanced society could choose, in essence, to destroy itself, but that is what we are now in the process of doing.&#8221; </p>
<p>the fact that we are taking 70% of the speicies down with us, is just that much more heinous.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/09/19/dead-walruses-endangered-species-climate-change/#comment-120574</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems we all are downstream now...what big money/oil can achieve.

Downstream


Downstream focuses on the controversy surrounding the development of Alberta&#039;s oil sands. This beautifully photographed documentary is an eye-opening investigation into one of the world&#039;s most polluting oil operations. 

It includes interviews with ecologists, Canadian politicians, local residents and a very dedicated doctor, discussing the environmental, economic and health issues surrounding the oil sands development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems we all are downstream now&#8230;what big money/oil can achieve.</p>
<p>Downstream</p>
<p>Downstream focuses on the controversy surrounding the development of Alberta&#8217;s oil sands. This beautifully photographed documentary is an eye-opening investigation into one of the world&#8217;s most polluting oil operations. </p>
<p>It includes interviews with ecologists, Canadian politicians, local residents and a very dedicated doctor, discussing the environmental, economic and health issues surrounding the oil sands development.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert E. Phelan</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/09/19/dead-walruses-endangered-species-climate-change/#comment-120558</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert E. Phelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 05:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be a good idea to take a close look at the photo again. Every one of those carcasses seems to be bleeding from the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be a good idea to take a close look at the photo again. Every one of those carcasses seems to be bleeding from the head.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 02:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raleigh, it makes me want to too. 

Here in Canada its just as bad as in the US. The MSM are all controlled by the big guys and they just hardly ever mention the connection. 

And when they do its always tucked away in the science section or somewhere deep. They don&#039;t even have environment sections like the Europeans.

The average person here is clueless on the climate change situation. I can&#039;t even get my family and friends enthused. Its extremely frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raleigh, it makes me want to too. </p>
<p>Here in Canada its just as bad as in the US. The MSM are all controlled by the big guys and they just hardly ever mention the connection. </p>
<p>And when they do its always tucked away in the science section or somewhere deep. They don&#8217;t even have environment sections like the Europeans.</p>
<p>The average person here is clueless on the climate change situation. I can&#8217;t even get my family and friends enthused. Its extremely frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Eisner</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/09/19/dead-walruses-endangered-species-climate-change/#comment-120472</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Eisner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 02:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I got no response to my comment asking for a march on Washington, perhaps polar bears and walruses should march!! We must animate some kind of march - the politicians are awfully slow. 
Who thinks they will have a major law passed to lower our CO2 emissions before the Copenhagen Conference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I got no response to my comment asking for a march on Washington, perhaps polar bears and walruses should march!! We must animate some kind of march &#8211; the politicians are awfully slow.<br />
Who thinks they will have a major law passed to lower our CO2 emissions before the Copenhagen Conference?</p>
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