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	<title>Comments on: Memo to George Will, WashPost:  When you quote someone who is wrong, even if it is the NYT&#8217;s Andy Revkin, then you&#8217;re wrong, too</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/01/george-will-temperature-plauteua-lie/#comment-137954</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst part about Will&#039;s article isn&#039;t just the lying - it&#039;s the defeatist spirit: &quot;That will not happen. So, we are doomed. So, why try?&quot;

He actually says, &quot;why try?&quot;  Isn&#039;t that the thing you&#039;re supposed to never tell your kids?  Reminds me of Homer Simpson saying, &quot;Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.&quot;

http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/10/building-wind-turbines-out-of-bicycle.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst part about Will&#8217;s article isn&#8217;t just the lying &#8211; it&#8217;s the defeatist spirit: &#8220;That will not happen. So, we are doomed. So, why try?&#8221;</p>
<p>He actually says, &#8220;why try?&#8221;  Isn&#8217;t that the thing you&#8217;re supposed to never tell your kids?  Reminds me of Homer Simpson saying, &#8220;Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/10/building-wind-turbines-out-of-bicycle.html" rel="nofollow">http://akwag.blogspot.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>10/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>building-wind-turbines-out-of-bicycle.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mossy</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/01/george-will-temperature-plauteua-lie/#comment-136608</link>
		<dc:creator>Mossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bush administration spent billions of taxpayer money to study climate impacts, didn&#039;t like the results, and shelved the reports.  They are available at www.globalchange.gov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush administration spent billions of taxpayer money to study climate impacts, didn&#8217;t like the results, and shelved the reports.  They are available at <a href="http://www.globalchange.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalchange.gov</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/01/george-will-temperature-plauteua-lie/#comment-136225</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is a bight cookie. The guys articles are verging on the criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a bight cookie. The guys articles are verging on the criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Grinzo</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/01/george-will-temperature-plauteua-lie/#comment-136203</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Grinzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mike roddy: &quot;maintaining discipline&quot; is a perfect description for what we&#039;re seeing.  The right has just enough blindly loyal members in the right places (like op-ed writers) that they can keep a large portion of the herd inline.

As for Will, I honestly have a hard time figuring out how someone I once respected, even though I strongly disagreed with him on most optics, has gone so bloody far around the bend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mike roddy: &#8220;maintaining discipline&#8221; is a perfect description for what we&#8217;re seeing.  The right has just enough blindly loyal members in the right places (like op-ed writers) that they can keep a large portion of the herd inline.</p>
<p>As for Will, I honestly have a hard time figuring out how someone I once respected, even though I strongly disagreed with him on most optics, has gone so bloody far around the bend.</p>
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		<title>By: dhogaza</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/01/george-will-temperature-plauteua-lie/#comment-136168</link>
		<dc:creator>dhogaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;America needs a national commission appointed to assess the evidence about climate change
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words, a more mildly-worded call for the US Chamber of Commerce&#039;s demand for a &quot;Scopes monkey trial for climate science&quot;.  Will, pay attention, that stance has big business running away from the Chamber, and the Chamber itself has backed off of it.

I wouldn&#039;t mind a follow-up national research council update on the state of climate science.  As Joe points out, that really worked out well for those conservative deniers, didn&#039;t it? 

But I&#039;m sure what Will means is a &quot;balanced&quot; National Commission including expert Blog Scientists like Watts and McIntyre, not those outright frauds who belong to the National Academy of Science ...

Maybe the &lt;a href=&quot;http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;author of this blog&lt;/a&gt; could chair!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>America needs a national commission appointed to assess the evidence about climate change
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<p>In other words, a more mildly-worded call for the US Chamber of Commerce&#8217;s demand for a &#8220;Scopes monkey trial for climate science&#8221;.  Will, pay attention, that stance has big business running away from the Chamber, and the Chamber itself has backed off of it.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind a follow-up national research council update on the state of climate science.  As Joe points out, that really worked out well for those conservative deniers, didn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m sure what Will means is a &#8220;balanced&#8221; National Commission including expert Blog Scientists like Watts and McIntyre, not those outright frauds who belong to the National Academy of Science &#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe the <a href="http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">author of this blog</a> could chair!</p>
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		<title>By: mike roddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike roddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see a truth commission, Ronald, but not much would change. The Right would call it a liberal conspiracy.

Will is parroting the Republican Party line, that&#039;s all. That whole bunch, including their columnists, is maintaining discipline. Education or picking the right sources is not a factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see a truth commission, Ronald, but not much would change. The Right would call it a liberal conspiracy.</p>
<p>Will is parroting the Republican Party line, that&#8217;s all. That whole bunch, including their columnists, is maintaining discipline. Education or picking the right sources is not a factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will is right that we need a National Commission, but not about the science; there needs to be a commission about why so many in the media keep screwing it up.  

without training in science and reading the good sources, most people, including newspaper colunists, when including their political and economic biases, will get it wrong.   is it the people or is it the system? or both?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will is right that we need a National Commission, but not about the science; there needs to be a commission about why so many in the media keep screwing it up.  </p>
<p>without training in science and reading the good sources, most people, including newspaper colunists, when including their political and economic biases, will get it wrong.   is it the people or is it the system? or both?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Someone needs to tell Will that for 20 years we’ve had an international commission appointed to assess the evidence about climate change. It’s called the IPCC. I wonder if he’s bothered to read their reports.&quot;

Someone also needs to tell Will we&#039;ve had a national commission to do essentially the same thing, but with a U.S. focus.  It was even commissioned by the Bush Administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Climate_Change_Science_Program

Deniers don&#039;t like the results from the synthesis reports of either group, so they keep demanding more &quot;commissions&quot;, perhaps ones organized by Senator Inhofe and other hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Someone needs to tell Will that for 20 years we’ve had an international commission appointed to assess the evidence about climate change. It’s called the IPCC. I wonder if he’s bothered to read their reports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Someone also needs to tell Will we&#8217;ve had a national commission to do essentially the same thing, but with a U.S. focus.  It was even commissioned by the Bush Administration.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Climate_Change_Science_Program" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>wiki/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>U.S._Climate_Change_Science_Program</a></p>
<p>Deniers don&#8217;t like the results from the synthesis reports of either group, so they keep demanding more &#8220;commissions&#8221;, perhaps ones organized by Senator Inhofe and other hacks.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkB</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/01/george-will-temperature-plauteua-lie/#comment-136111</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I interviewed Dr. Latif today, and he confirmed my interpretation of his work — and made some very strong statements about the misuse of his findings — which is to say that Revkin didn’t get it right and Will got it very, very wrong.&quot;

I look forward to your report on this interview.  I suspect even the New Scientist article isn&#039;t quite right.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware of this, but Latif was part of the Keenlyside et al. study you covered awhile back, something that ironically also confused Revkin.

http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/02/nature-article-on-cooling-confuses-revkin-media-deniers-next-decade-may-see-rapid-warming/

Revkin&#039;s poor 9/22 article appears to have at least removed one very bad error:

&quot;The global average temperature is now only an imperceptible .01 degree Fahrenheit higher than it was in 1999, according to the British meteorology office.&quot;

A basic linear regression reveals about 0.07 C warming per decade from 1999-2008.  If we extrapolate 2009, it&#039;s about 0.08 C per decade.  And of course, it&#039;s higher with GISS or NOAA, which takes into account Arctic temperatures.  Revkin&#039;s article entirely misses the relevancy of looking at single decade, or being naive enough to use the 2+ sigma year of 1998 as a baseline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I interviewed Dr. Latif today, and he confirmed my interpretation of his work — and made some very strong statements about the misuse of his findings — which is to say that Revkin didn’t get it right and Will got it very, very wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>I look forward to your report on this interview.  I suspect even the New Scientist article isn&#8217;t quite right.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware of this, but Latif was part of the Keenlyside et al. study you covered awhile back, something that ironically also confused Revkin.</p>
<p><a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/02/nature-article-on-cooling-confuses-revkin-media-deniers-next-decade-may-see-rapid-warming/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>05/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>02/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>nature-article-on-cooling-confuses-revkin-media-deniers-next-decade-may-see-rapid-warming/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a></p>
<p>Revkin&#8217;s poor 9/22 article appears to have at least removed one very bad error:</p>
<p>&#8220;The global average temperature is now only an imperceptible .01 degree Fahrenheit higher than it was in 1999, according to the British meteorology office.&#8221;</p>
<p>A basic linear regression reveals about 0.07 C warming per decade from 1999-2008.  If we extrapolate 2009, it&#8217;s about 0.08 C per decade.  And of course, it&#8217;s higher with GISS or NOAA, which takes into account Arctic temperatures.  Revkin&#8217;s article entirely misses the relevancy of looking at single decade, or being naive enough to use the 2+ sigma year of 1998 as a baseline.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone needs to tell Will that for 20 years we&#039;ve had an &lt;i&gt;international &lt;/i&gt; commission appointed to assess the evidence about climate change.  It&#039;s called the IPCC.  I wonder if he&#039;s bothered to read their reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs to tell Will that for 20 years we&#8217;ve had an <i>international </i> commission appointed to assess the evidence about climate change.  It&#8217;s called the IPCC.  I wonder if he&#8217;s bothered to read their reports.</p>
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