Comments on: Energy and Global Warming News for October 14: Cap and trade is best approach for economy — Exelon CEO; Developed nation oil demand peaked in 2005; China could cheaply control coal emissions — PNNL http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/14/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-october-14-cap-and-trade-is-best-approach-for-economy-exelon-ceo-demand-for-oil-in-developed-nations-peaked-in-2005-china-could-cheaply-control-coal-emissions/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:52:51 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: RoySV http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/14/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-october-14-cap-and-trade-is-best-approach-for-economy-exelon-ceo-demand-for-oil-in-developed-nations-peaked-in-2005-china-could-cheaply-control-coal-emissions/#comment-160445 RoySV Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:39:57 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=12653#comment-160445 Really puzzled by the China coal headline. How does just having storage enable "China could cheaply control coal emissions"? They still have to install the basically experimental capture equipment and pipe it under ground. Then basically monitor the deposits forever. I worry that this simplistic headline is (naturally) going to be picked up by the USA First crowd as a way to bash China. Unless I'm mistaken, the USA is not doing this anywhere on any substantial scale and no expectation of it happening soon, if ever! Really puzzled by the China coal headline. How does just having storage enable “China could cheaply control coal emissions”? They still have to install the basically experimental capture equipment and pipe it under ground. Then basically monitor the deposits forever. I worry that this simplistic headline is (naturally) going to be picked up by the USA First crowd as a way to bash China. Unless I’m mistaken, the USA is not doing this anywhere on any substantial scale and no expectation of it happening soon, if ever!

]]> By: C. Vink http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/14/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-october-14-cap-and-trade-is-best-approach-for-economy-exelon-ceo-demand-for-oil-in-developed-nations-peaked-in-2005-china-could-cheaply-control-coal-emissions/#comment-160222 C. Vink Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:25:26 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=12653#comment-160222 <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/environment/brumbys-dirty-secret-coal-for-export-20091013-gvnp.html" rel="nofollow">Australia: Brumby's dirty secret: Coal for export</a> Age, October 14: Victoria's massive brown coal reserves look set to be opened up to export for the first time - prompting claims the state is putting commercial opportunity ahead of its responsibility to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Confidential cabinet documents obtained by The Age show the Brumby Government is considering offering billions of tonnes of Latrobe Valley coal for tender next year. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8307272.stm" rel="nofollow">Arctic to be 'ice-free in summer'</a> BBC News, October 14 - The Arctic Ocean could be largely ice-free and open to shipping during the summer in as little as ten years' time, top polar scientist Pen Hadows has said. Hadow's team completed an extensive survey of the Arctic ice cap <a href="http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=48844" rel="nofollow">Earth's Life Support Systems Failing</a> Inter Press Service, October 13: The world has failed to slow the accelerating extinction crisis despite 17 years of national and international efforts since the great hopes raised at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro. Australia: Brumby’s dirty secret: Coal for export
Age, October 14: Victoria’s massive brown coal reserves look set to be opened up to export for the first time – prompting claims the state is putting commercial opportunity ahead of its responsibility to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Confidential cabinet documents obtained by The Age show the Brumby Government is considering offering billions of tonnes of Latrobe Valley coal for tender next year.

Arctic to be ‘ice-free in summer’
BBC News, October 14 – The Arctic Ocean could be largely ice-free and open to shipping during the summer in as little as ten years’ time, top polar scientist Pen Hadows has said. Hadow’s team completed an extensive survey of the Arctic ice cap

Earth’s Life Support Systems Failing
Inter Press Service, October 13: The world has failed to slow the accelerating extinction crisis despite 17 years of national and international efforts since the great hopes raised at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro.

]]> By: Leland Palmer http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/14/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-october-14-cap-and-trade-is-best-approach-for-economy-exelon-ceo-demand-for-oil-in-developed-nations-peaked-in-2005-china-could-cheaply-control-coal-emissions/#comment-160210 Leland Palmer Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:29:05 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=12653#comment-160210 Christ, that's good news about China. :) Instead of wasting that 2.3 trillion tons of CO2 storage space on coal, though, what they ought to do is rapidly transform their coal fired power plants to "carbon negative" bio-energy plus carbon capture and storage power plants. China might not have sufficient biomass resources to do this, but if they start building biochar log pipelines from surrounding areas including Siberia and importing shiploads of biochar from Siberia, South Asia, Malaysia, and even Australia, they may be able to significantly cut into their coal use. And each carbon negative power plant would have a huge synergistic effect on their emissions, because this could simultaneously displace fossil fuel use, help prevent wildfires by removing combustible undergrowth from forests, generate electricity for running electric cars, and put carbon back underground, all at the same time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-energy_with_carbon_capture_and_storage China can do very easily what we should do with the coal fired power plants, which is nationalize them and convert them by force into carbon negative bio-energy plus CCS power plants. We should add an IFCC (Indirectly Fired Combined Cycle) topping cycle to increase efficiency, and use river transport of biomass and biochar to bring these fuels to the power plants, most of which are located on rivers. Not having to kowtow to a rich, intransigent financial elite, they can simply technologically modify the plants, and get on with it. As in all else, if we don't hurry up, the Chinese will end up owning carbon negative technology, and will sell it to the rest of the world. Christ, that’s good news about China. :)

Instead of wasting that 2.3 trillion tons of CO2 storage space on coal, though, what they ought to do is rapidly transform their coal fired power plants to “carbon negative” bio-energy plus carbon capture and storage power plants.

China might not have sufficient biomass resources to do this, but if they start building biochar log pipelines from surrounding areas including Siberia and importing shiploads of biochar from Siberia, South Asia, Malaysia, and even Australia, they may be able to significantly cut into their coal use. And each carbon negative power plant would have a huge synergistic effect on their emissions, because this could simultaneously displace fossil fuel use, help prevent wildfires by removing combustible undergrowth from forests, generate electricity for running electric cars, and put carbon back underground, all at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Bio-energy_with_carbon_capture_and_storage

China can do very easily what we should do with the coal fired power plants, which is nationalize them and convert them by force into carbon negative bio-energy plus CCS power plants. We should add an IFCC (Indirectly Fired Combined Cycle) topping cycle to increase efficiency, and use river transport of biomass and biochar to bring these fuels to the power plants, most of which are located on rivers.

Not having to kowtow to a rich, intransigent financial elite, they can simply technologically modify the plants, and get on with it.

As in all else, if we don’t hurry up, the Chinese will end up owning carbon negative technology, and will sell it to the rest of the world.

]]> By: ecostew http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/14/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-october-14-cap-and-trade-is-best-approach-for-economy-exelon-ceo-demand-for-oil-in-developed-nations-peaked-in-2005-china-could-cheaply-control-coal-emissions/#comment-159379 ecostew Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:31:15 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=12653#comment-159379 Wadhams said the Catlin Arctic Survey data supports the new consensus that the Arctic will be ice-free in summer within 20 years, and that much of the decrease will happen within 10 years. http://en.cop15.dk/news/view+news?newsid=2358 Wadhams said the Catlin Arctic Survey data supports the new consensus that the Arctic will be ice-free in summer within 20 years, and that much of the decrease will happen within 10 years.

http://en.cop15.dk/news/view+news?newsid=2358

]]> By: WAG http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/14/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-october-14-cap-and-trade-is-best-approach-for-economy-exelon-ceo-demand-for-oil-in-developed-nations-peaked-in-2005-china-could-cheaply-control-coal-emissions/#comment-159113 WAG Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:01:27 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=12653#comment-159113 Great post on the Apple and Nike defections in the WSJ's Environmental Capital. It basically devastates the WSJ op-ed today criticizing those decisions: http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2009/10/14/bailing-out-of-the-chamber-are-apple-and-nike-smart-or-shortsighted/ Great post on the Apple and Nike defections in the WSJ’s Environmental Capital. It basically devastates the WSJ op-ed today criticizing those decisions:

http://blogs.wsj.com/ environmentalcapital/ 2009/ 10/ 14/ bailing-out-of-the-chamber-are-apple-and-nike-smart-or-shortsighted/

]]> By: RoySV http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/14/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-october-14-cap-and-trade-is-best-approach-for-economy-exelon-ceo-demand-for-oil-in-developed-nations-peaked-in-2005-china-could-cheaply-control-coal-emissions/#comment-159103 RoySV Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:09:22 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=12653#comment-159103 Web page note: Very disrupting blinking behavior. This has begun in the last 2 weeks I think. Seems to be triggered when the mouse (inadvertently) passes across block of digg, etc. links. Behavior: White portion of page (the content) briefly disappears showing flash of dark blue then immediately reappears. This happens 4-5 times on every visit. Hope it can be addressed. (Firefox 3.5.3 native and with the FF IE rendering engine) Thanks, Roy Web page note: Very disrupting blinking behavior.
This has begun in the last 2 weeks I think. Seems to be triggered when the mouse (inadvertently) passes across block of digg, etc. links. Behavior: White portion of page (the content) briefly disappears showing flash of dark blue then immediately reappears. This happens 4-5 times on every visit. Hope it can be addressed. (Firefox 3.5.3 native and with the FF IE rendering engine)
Thanks,
Roy

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