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	<title>Comments on: Beck escalates feud with Lindsey Graham: &#8220;I’m going to stick with the angry people&#8221;; Pence, chair of House GOP Conference, sides with Beck</title>
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		<title>By: T Cee</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish someone WOULD pay be to be so cynical of ALL stinking politicians.

I&#039;m a big, fat ZERO as far as political influence and power but I know tyranny when I smell it.

I can&#039;t believe the naivete of those who would turn the keys of their liberty over to such idiots as currently reside in D.C.

Be careful!  You may actually get what you ask for!  

And what&#039;s really funny is that most of you don&#039;t even have guns to resist them when they finally come for you!  

Ha!  I hope you get nice warm cots in the concentration camps you wind up in while performing involuntary public service.

As for me, I&#039;ll go down fighting.  I don&#039;t bend over for the likes of Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama . . . like you folks want to.

Green heil, Mother Earth!  (Riiiiiiiiight!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish someone WOULD pay be to be so cynical of ALL stinking politicians.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big, fat ZERO as far as political influence and power but I know tyranny when I smell it.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe the naivete of those who would turn the keys of their liberty over to such idiots as currently reside in D.C.</p>
<p>Be careful!  You may actually get what you ask for!  </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s really funny is that most of you don&#8217;t even have guns to resist them when they finally come for you!  </p>
<p>Ha!  I hope you get nice warm cots in the concentration camps you wind up in while performing involuntary public service.</p>
<p>As for me, I&#8217;ll go down fighting.  I don&#8217;t bend over for the likes of Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama . . . like you folks want to.</p>
<p>Green heil, Mother Earth!  (Riiiiiiiiight!)</p>
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		<title>By: Leland Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leland Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blanket criticism of all politicians is another tactic of paid propagandists, sad to say. 

Kerry and Boxer, and a host of others, are trying to do something good, something that is not in their own self-interest, something for their children and grandchildren and future generations.

They deserve credit for it.

Blanket criticism of all politicians is just another deceptive, negative tactic used to confuse, distract, and distort the political debate. 

Really, the only cure for such nasty negative corporate behavior is to nationalize their industries, I think.

It&#039;s a shame, because Boxer and Kerry appear to be trying to make capitalism actually work again, and are being opposed at every turn by a hard core of elitists, who are not actually capitalists but are instead monopolists. 

We really don&#039;t have time to put up with a hard core of financial elites that reflexively engage in every form of deception known to man, to protect short term profits.

Capitalists are destroying capitalism, and are doing so unnecessarily, IMO, in pursuit of either a hidden population reduction agenda or on the basis of ideas that are simply mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blanket criticism of all politicians is another tactic of paid propagandists, sad to say. </p>
<p>Kerry and Boxer, and a host of others, are trying to do something good, something that is not in their own self-interest, something for their children and grandchildren and future generations.</p>
<p>They deserve credit for it.</p>
<p>Blanket criticism of all politicians is just another deceptive, negative tactic used to confuse, distract, and distort the political debate. </p>
<p>Really, the only cure for such nasty negative corporate behavior is to nationalize their industries, I think.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame, because Boxer and Kerry appear to be trying to make capitalism actually work again, and are being opposed at every turn by a hard core of elitists, who are not actually capitalists but are instead monopolists. </p>
<p>We really don&#8217;t have time to put up with a hard core of financial elites that reflexively engage in every form of deception known to man, to protect short term profits.</p>
<p>Capitalists are destroying capitalism, and are doing so unnecessarily, IMO, in pursuit of either a hidden population reduction agenda or on the basis of ideas that are simply mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Merritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So really bad people are just like Obama, but lighter??  Wow.

All the more ingenious because perfectly deniable.  Maybe even unconscious.  (In sports, that describes something wonderful.)  You gotta hand it to the guy.

Sorry if that&#039;s old news, but it&#039;s new to people who follow GB only through folks like Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So really bad people are just like Obama, but lighter??  Wow.</p>
<p>All the more ingenious because perfectly deniable.  Maybe even unconscious.  (In sports, that describes something wonderful.)  You gotta hand it to the guy.</p>
<p>Sorry if that&#8217;s old news, but it&#8217;s new to people who follow GB only through folks like Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Mutmansky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutmansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Cee: &quot;Why so nasty in the responses above?&quot;

There&#039;s nothing wrong with responding in a &quot;nasty&quot; way, as you put it, to people who&#039;s goal is to destroy our country and civilization as we know it.  The &quot;Hell and High Water&quot; as Joe often frames it is coming.  Glenn Beck, Rush, O&#039;Reilly, the Tea Baggers, the Birthers, etc. all seek to accelerate this coming destruction.  Personally, I cannot stand by and watch anyone trample on the lives of our children and grandchildren in so heinous a manner.  The U.S. Constitution exists to protect the lives of US citizens and their fundamental rights to Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness.  Luckily we have a President and a majority in Congress who believe in supporting those rights and (hopefully) won&#039;t bow to people like you.

Hope this response isn&#039;t too &quot;Nasty&quot; for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Cee: &#8220;Why so nasty in the responses above?&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with responding in a &#8220;nasty&#8221; way, as you put it, to people who&#8217;s goal is to destroy our country and civilization as we know it.  The &#8220;Hell and High Water&#8221; as Joe often frames it is coming.  Glenn Beck, Rush, O&#8217;Reilly, the Tea Baggers, the Birthers, etc. all seek to accelerate this coming destruction.  Personally, I cannot stand by and watch anyone trample on the lives of our children and grandchildren in so heinous a manner.  The U.S. Constitution exists to protect the lives of US citizens and their fundamental rights to Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness.  Luckily we have a President and a majority in Congress who believe in supporting those rights and (hopefully) won&#8217;t bow to people like you.</p>
<p>Hope this response isn&#8217;t too &#8220;Nasty&#8221; for you.</p>
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		<title>By: T Cee</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why so nasty in the responses above?

I&#039;m one of those tea party attendees (local--didn&#039;t make it to the D.C. event with an estimated 1.5-2 million attendees).  I&#039;m very cynical of government, aren&#039;t you?  

Do you all trust politicians so much as to give them the power to run (ruin) the economy as a fascist state and, in order to do so, infringe on fundamental (natural) rights of man as recognized by our Founding Fathers? 

Most of the folks I&#039;ve met at those events just want us to follow the U.S. Constitution which, last time I checked, doesn&#039;t grant such sweeping authority to the federal level of government to begin with.

Is simply following the supreme law of the land such a bad thing to want?

If you want to have such a fascist state, then make it official.  Amend the Constitution or formally dispose of it rather than ignore the greatest revolutionary document in the history of government (which has been, much more often than not since civilization began, despotic in nature).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why so nasty in the responses above?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of those tea party attendees (local&#8211;didn&#8217;t make it to the D.C. event with an estimated 1.5-2 million attendees).  I&#8217;m very cynical of government, aren&#8217;t you?  </p>
<p>Do you all trust politicians so much as to give them the power to run (ruin) the economy as a fascist state and, in order to do so, infringe on fundamental (natural) rights of man as recognized by our Founding Fathers? </p>
<p>Most of the folks I&#8217;ve met at those events just want us to follow the U.S. Constitution which, last time I checked, doesn&#8217;t grant such sweeping authority to the federal level of government to begin with.</p>
<p>Is simply following the supreme law of the land such a bad thing to want?</p>
<p>If you want to have such a fascist state, then make it official.  Amend the Constitution or formally dispose of it rather than ignore the greatest revolutionary document in the history of government (which has been, much more often than not since civilization began, despotic in nature).</p>
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		<title>By: Leland Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leland Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole right wing paid propagandist phenomenon is pretty scary, IMO, and is actually a great threat to democracy in this country, I think.

Like Limbaugh and O&#039;Reilly, Beck is a very, very well rewarded paid propagandist. 

I believe that Beck, Limbaugh, and O&#039;Reilly are tapping into a basic tendency of human beings to seek cover by loyally following a strong leader. Such authoritarian followers have been studied by Bob Altemeyer of the University of Manitoba, for decades, and he has written a free online book called &quot;The Authoritarians&quot; about his research. John Dean drew heavily on this body of research, too, when he wrote his book &quot;Conservatives Without Conscience&quot;.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

&lt;blockquote&gt; The studies explain so much about these people. Yes, the research shows they are very aggressive, but why are they so hostile? Yes, experiments show they are almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence, but why are they so dogmatic? Yes, studies show the Religious Right has more than its fair share of hypocrites, from top to bottom; but why are they two-faced, and how come one face never notices the other? Yes, their leaders can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong, but why do the rank-and-file believe them? What happens when authoritarian followers find the authoritarian leaders they crave and start marching together?
    
     I think you’ll find this book “explains a lot.” Many scattered impressions about the enemies of freedom and equality become solidified by science and coherently connected here. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

One thing we have to remember about Beck, Limbaugh, and O&#039;Reilly is that they are highly talented and highly paid professional propagandists.

Beck&#039;s reply to Graham was essentially &quot;stop making me mad&quot;. 

No, Glenn, Jesus Christ in his flowing robe borne in by a flock of angels could not keep you from getting mad - because your anger is a tactic, which gets you what you want- more power, money, and influence. Anger energizes the base, which is why a paid propagandist such as yourself pretends to be angry, every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole right wing paid propagandist phenomenon is pretty scary, IMO, and is actually a great threat to democracy in this country, I think.</p>
<p>Like Limbaugh and O&#8217;Reilly, Beck is a very, very well rewarded paid propagandist. </p>
<p>I believe that Beck, Limbaugh, and O&#8217;Reilly are tapping into a basic tendency of human beings to seek cover by loyally following a strong leader. Such authoritarian followers have been studied by Bob Altemeyer of the University of Manitoba, for decades, and he has written a free online book called &#8220;The Authoritarians&#8221; about his research. John Dean drew heavily on this body of research, too, when he wrote his book &#8220;Conservatives Without Conscience&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/" rel="nofollow">http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/</a></p>
<blockquote><p> The studies explain so much about these people. Yes, the research shows they are very aggressive, but why are they so hostile? Yes, experiments show they are almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence, but why are they so dogmatic? Yes, studies show the Religious Right has more than its fair share of hypocrites, from top to bottom; but why are they two-faced, and how come one face never notices the other? Yes, their leaders can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong, but why do the rank-and-file believe them? What happens when authoritarian followers find the authoritarian leaders they crave and start marching together?</p>
<p>     I think you’ll find this book “explains a lot.” Many scattered impressions about the enemies of freedom and equality become solidified by science and coherently connected here. </p></blockquote>
<p>One thing we have to remember about Beck, Limbaugh, and O&#8217;Reilly is that they are highly talented and highly paid professional propagandists.</p>
<p>Beck&#8217;s reply to Graham was essentially &#8220;stop making me mad&#8221;. </p>
<p>No, Glenn, Jesus Christ in his flowing robe borne in by a flock of angels could not keep you from getting mad &#8211; because your anger is a tactic, which gets you what you want- more power, money, and influence. Anger energizes the base, which is why a paid propagandist such as yourself pretends to be angry, every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
For what it&#039;s worth, I don&#039;t find mention of Glenn Beck such as this post to advance the purpose of this blog.  I agree that he represents a relevant denier force, and general descriptions of this phenomenon are helpful to advance discussion on how to dispose of it, but specific instances of activity is nothing more than noise.

Best regards,
Jeff R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
For what it&#8217;s worth, I don&#8217;t find mention of Glenn Beck such as this post to advance the purpose of this blog.  I agree that he represents a relevant denier force, and general descriptions of this phenomenon are helpful to advance discussion on how to dispose of it, but specific instances of activity is nothing more than noise.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Jeff R.</p>
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		<title>By: Lore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s interesting to witness the Republican party destroying itself from within, the party that just has to say  “no”.  Subletting their leadership to self proclaimed media “rodeo clowns” like Beck and his ilk has all but guaranteed election losses against moderate and honest conservative voices.  Not to mention any chance of attracting  unaffiliated support for them or their ideas. 

Like the monster that began to eat himself one bite at a time until he just simply vanished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s interesting to witness the Republican party destroying itself from within, the party that just has to say  “no”.  Subletting their leadership to self proclaimed media “rodeo clowns” like Beck and his ilk has all but guaranteed election losses against moderate and honest conservative voices.  Not to mention any chance of attracting  unaffiliated support for them or their ideas. </p>
<p>Like the monster that began to eat himself one bite at a time until he just simply vanished.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s remember that Beck is a showman with golden tonsils.  His showmanship voice is comforting, his style entertaining.  But like a junk food, his civic nutrition value is very low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s remember that Beck is a showman with golden tonsils.  His showmanship voice is comforting, his style entertaining.  But like a junk food, his civic nutrition value is very low.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lamont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t let texas secede.

just wait 20 years or so and demographic changes in texas will turn it democratic (particularly as the republican party there continues to avoid dealing with those realities).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t let texas secede.</p>
<p>just wait 20 years or so and demographic changes in texas will turn it democratic (particularly as the republican party there continues to avoid dealing with those realities).</p>
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