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	<title>Comments on: Senate GOP embrace Inhofe’s boycott of Clean Energy Jobs Act in effort to thwart Copenhagen deal; Boxer responds  &#8220;We&#8217;re going to be very patient.  We&#8217;re going to wait for them to come. We&#8217;re going to sit there every day and ask them to please come back to the table.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Vlado</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-180079</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate bill -- what a megalomanic pretension! would harm the United States and compel it to buy carbon credits forever from nonproductive countries who will have no initiative to develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate bill &#8212; what a megalomanic pretension! would harm the United States and compel it to buy carbon credits forever from nonproductive countries who will have no initiative to develop.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasparilla</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-179117</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasparilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an awful situation - these bozos are going to prevent us from going to Copenhagen with anything concrete in hand to work with - we get to be the reason nothing is done, again.  They win, again, of course our President enabled this by not getting the Senate to get this item out of the way earlier in the year.

The suggestion about Exxon/Mobile is a good one, I stopped using them last year and every person who stops flushing their disposable income down at Exxon/Mobile (and does it at another vendor) is step towards forcing them to change their behavior (eventually).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an awful situation &#8211; these bozos are going to prevent us from going to Copenhagen with anything concrete in hand to work with &#8211; we get to be the reason nothing is done, again.  They win, again, of course our President enabled this by not getting the Senate to get this item out of the way earlier in the year.</p>
<p>The suggestion about Exxon/Mobile is a good one, I stopped using them last year and every person who stops flushing their disposable income down at Exxon/Mobile (and does it at another vendor) is step towards forcing them to change their behavior (eventually).</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Matania Ginosar</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-179078</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Matania Ginosar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The self interest of the Republicans in Congress is so sad and potentially dangerous. Their inability to grasp the seriousness of global warming, their willingness to delay global action show a destructive mentality beyond comprehension. 
Conservatism is often based on fear, staying with the past, not being open to reality. The Republicans leadership suffers from all of these.
Do not expect a change of heart. Few Republican leaders are capable of that. If they will be open to reality, what will be left to them to say or do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The self interest of the Republicans in Congress is so sad and potentially dangerous. Their inability to grasp the seriousness of global warming, their willingness to delay global action show a destructive mentality beyond comprehension.<br />
Conservatism is often based on fear, staying with the past, not being open to reality. The Republicans leadership suffers from all of these.<br />
Do not expect a change of heart. Few Republican leaders are capable of that. If they will be open to reality, what will be left to them to say or do?</p>
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		<title>By: Philip H.</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-178895</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

What exactly do we need more R&#039;s for?  To allow Sen. Reid to stroke his own ego as a &quot;bipartisan leader?&quot;  Or to keep him from actually having to lead?  Come one man, either all 60 Democrats line up and pass this one, or they don&#039;t.  The whole reason Americans sent them to the Hill in the majority in the first place is that we&#039;re . . . upset . . . at the overwhelming alck of accomplishment that split part rule gave us.  If Blue Dogs want to filibuster the climate bill because they think it helps them politically, then we should politely inviet them to switch Parties and be don ewith it. 

Sorry sir, but to pander to a politicl party that has nearly run our nation into the ground just to keep from having to deal with the elephants (pun very intended) in your own house is banal and immature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>What exactly do we need more R&#8217;s for?  To allow Sen. Reid to stroke his own ego as a &#8220;bipartisan leader?&#8221;  Or to keep him from actually having to lead?  Come one man, either all 60 Democrats line up and pass this one, or they don&#8217;t.  The whole reason Americans sent them to the Hill in the majority in the first place is that we&#8217;re . . . upset . . . at the overwhelming alck of accomplishment that split part rule gave us.  If Blue Dogs want to filibuster the climate bill because they think it helps them politically, then we should politely inviet them to switch Parties and be don ewith it. </p>
<p>Sorry sir, but to pander to a politicl party that has nearly run our nation into the ground just to keep from having to deal with the elephants (pun very intended) in your own house is banal and immature.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip H.</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-178690</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
It appears the Democrats learned nothing from their attempts to placate Republicans in the Senate over the healthcare reform bill in the Senate Finance Committee.  If Republicnas (who generally hate the EPA) are going to boycott the legislative process until the EPA gives them a &quot;more thorough&quot; analysis, then Senator Boxer needs to hold a markup, pass the bill and move on.  She&#039;s not going to get them to the table no matter how long she waits or what she offers.  This is nothing other then obstructionist grandstanding, and it does nothing for the bill, nor the environment.

Man, how I long for the days when Democrats had a pair, and used them!

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Gonna need some R&#039;s for the final bill, so I&#039;m not sure this is the best path.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
It appears the Democrats learned nothing from their attempts to placate Republicans in the Senate over the healthcare reform bill in the Senate Finance Committee.  If Republicnas (who generally hate the EPA) are going to boycott the legislative process until the EPA gives them a &#8220;more thorough&#8221; analysis, then Senator Boxer needs to hold a markup, pass the bill and move on.  She&#8217;s not going to get them to the table no matter how long she waits or what she offers.  This is nothing other then obstructionist grandstanding, and it does nothing for the bill, nor the environment.</p>
<p>Man, how I long for the days when Democrats had a pair, and used them!</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Gonna need some R's for the final bill, so I'm not sure this is the best path.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Leland Palmer</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-178112</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s do a thought experiment. 

Let&#039;s try to understand what the Republicans are after with their boycott.

By delaying U.S. Senate action until after Copenhagen, they apparently want to avoid any substantial agreement in Copenhagen, so that they can continue to argue that U.S. action by itself will be ineffective and costly.

Coming from the party of Newt Gingrich, who criticized Harry Reid for not being a good enough liar, it makes some sense, perhaps. This is a negotiating position, and it&#039;s all about trying to protect the profitability of U.S. fossil fuel industries, I guess. 

Or maybe there is more to this tactic. 

Scott Borgerson, of the Council on Foreign Relations, is a David Rockefeller visiting fellow at the CFR think tank, meaning he&#039;s on the payroll. The Council on Foreign Relations, for decades, has been dominated by the Rockefellers, descendants of the John D. Rockefeller Standard Oil Monopoly. David Rockefeller, for example, was the Chairman of the CFR for decades. Borgerson&#039;s output, in the New York Times for example and in testimony before both the House and the Senate, suggests that the CFR (the foreign policy voice of Big Oil, IMO) wants the Arctic to melt in the summer, so that they can prospect for oil under the Arctic ice. They also apparently want the U.S. to build a fleet of nuclear icebreaker ships, apparently to break the ice and clear a navigable path through the pack ice for oil tankers carrying Arctic crude:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/15638/arctic_meltdown.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F13363%2F

(CFR website, registration required, go to page 2)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Ironically, the great melt is likely to yield more of the very commodities that precipitated it: fossil fuels. As oil prices exceed $100 a barrel, geologists are scrambling to determine exactly how much oil and gas lies beneath the melting icecap. More is known about the surface of Mars than about the Arctic Ocean&#039;s deep, but&lt;b&gt; early returns indicate that the Arctic could hold the last remaining undiscovered hydrocarbon resources on earth. The U.S. Geological Survey and the Norwegian company StatoilHydro estimate that the Arctic holds as much as one-quarter of the world&#039;s remaining undiscovered oil and gas deposits. Some Arctic wildcatters believe this estimate could increase substantially as more is learned about the region&#039;s geology. The Arctic Ocean&#039;s long, outstretched continental shelf is another indication of the potential for commercially accessible offshore oil and gas resources.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The climate is a complex chaotic system, which appears to be approaching or that has reached a bifurcation point. It may be that our financial elites want to delay effective action long enough for the climate to irreversibly pass this bifurcation point. 

It may be that the temptation of this ten trillion dollars or so in Arctic oil and additional trillions of dollars worth of methane from methane hydrates is too much for our financial elites, and they are trying to force the earth&#039;s climate into a state in which the Arctic is ice free in the summer, in order to go after those Arctic resources.

This is a huge risk, and one that I believe could well be catastrophic for future generations. 

I also don&#039;t recall voting for this policy.

I don&#039;t think we can achieve this seasonally ice free Arctic on any human time scale without setting off a methane catastrophe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s do a thought experiment. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try to understand what the Republicans are after with their boycott.</p>
<p>By delaying U.S. Senate action until after Copenhagen, they apparently want to avoid any substantial agreement in Copenhagen, so that they can continue to argue that U.S. action by itself will be ineffective and costly.</p>
<p>Coming from the party of Newt Gingrich, who criticized Harry Reid for not being a good enough liar, it makes some sense, perhaps. This is a negotiating position, and it&#8217;s all about trying to protect the profitability of U.S. fossil fuel industries, I guess. </p>
<p>Or maybe there is more to this tactic. </p>
<p>Scott Borgerson, of the Council on Foreign Relations, is a David Rockefeller visiting fellow at the CFR think tank, meaning he&#8217;s on the payroll. The Council on Foreign Relations, for decades, has been dominated by the Rockefellers, descendants of the John D. Rockefeller Standard Oil Monopoly. David Rockefeller, for example, was the Chairman of the CFR for decades. Borgerson&#8217;s output, in the New York Times for example and in testimony before both the House and the Senate, suggests that the CFR (the foreign policy voice of Big Oil, IMO) wants the Arctic to melt in the summer, so that they can prospect for oil under the Arctic ice. They also apparently want the U.S. to build a fleet of nuclear icebreaker ships, apparently to break the ice and clear a navigable path through the pack ice for oil tankers carrying Arctic crude:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cfr.org/publication/15638/arctic_meltdown.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F13363%2F" rel="nofollow">http://www.cfr.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>publication/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>15638/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>arctic_meltdown.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F13363%2F</a></p>
<p>(CFR website, registration required, go to page 2)</p>
<blockquote><p>Ironically, the great melt is likely to yield more of the very commodities that precipitated it: fossil fuels. As oil prices exceed $100 a barrel, geologists are scrambling to determine exactly how much oil and gas lies beneath the melting icecap. More is known about the surface of Mars than about the Arctic Ocean&#8217;s deep, but<b> early returns indicate that the Arctic could hold the last remaining undiscovered hydrocarbon resources on earth. The U.S. Geological Survey and the Norwegian company StatoilHydro estimate that the Arctic holds as much as one-quarter of the world&#8217;s remaining undiscovered oil and gas deposits. Some Arctic wildcatters believe this estimate could increase substantially as more is learned about the region&#8217;s geology. The Arctic Ocean&#8217;s long, outstretched continental shelf is another indication of the potential for commercially accessible offshore oil and gas resources.</b> </p></blockquote>
<p>The climate is a complex chaotic system, which appears to be approaching or that has reached a bifurcation point. It may be that our financial elites want to delay effective action long enough for the climate to irreversibly pass this bifurcation point. </p>
<p>It may be that the temptation of this ten trillion dollars or so in Arctic oil and additional trillions of dollars worth of methane from methane hydrates is too much for our financial elites, and they are trying to force the earth&#8217;s climate into a state in which the Arctic is ice free in the summer, in order to go after those Arctic resources.</p>
<p>This is a huge risk, and one that I believe could well be catastrophic for future generations. </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t recall voting for this policy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we can achieve this seasonally ice free Arctic on any human time scale without setting off a methane catastrophe.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-178082</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am ashamed of my country&#039;s blocking and hindering of all environmental issues.  Climate change is a real threat to us all, including animals, plants, habitats and much more.  Though I am a citizen and vote in the USA, I live and work at present in the south Pacific islands.  Our legislators need to get themselves out into the real world sometimes and see and LIVE what is really happening.  Our little flat islands are and will slowly disappear under the ocean - and what of the inhabitants?
Such obstructionist attitudes and policies only breed disgust and dislike from other countries - even our &quot;friends&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am ashamed of my country&#8217;s blocking and hindering of all environmental issues.  Climate change is a real threat to us all, including animals, plants, habitats and much more.  Though I am a citizen and vote in the USA, I live and work at present in the south Pacific islands.  Our legislators need to get themselves out into the real world sometimes and see and LIVE what is really happening.  Our little flat islands are and will slowly disappear under the ocean &#8211; and what of the inhabitants?<br />
Such obstructionist attitudes and policies only breed disgust and dislike from other countries &#8211; even our &#8220;friends&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-177887</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 8 years of Bush-Cheney Greed Machine, it seems the world is making a desparate attempt to save itself-- an upward swing toward greater humanitarian efforts.  Unfortunately, there are still alot of republicans in congress, governor of Alaska, etc., who are still clinging to the status quo (lucrative benefits to themselves and their friends, to the detriment of  the rest of the world.)  Wish we could just put them all in prison!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 8 years of Bush-Cheney Greed Machine, it seems the world is making a desparate attempt to save itself&#8211; an upward swing toward greater humanitarian efforts.  Unfortunately, there are still alot of republicans in congress, governor of Alaska, etc., who are still clinging to the status quo (lucrative benefits to themselves and their friends, to the detriment of  the rest of the world.)  Wish we could just put them all in prison!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-177878</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I boycotted Exxonmobile after they screwed me out of the gasoline I paid for a couple years ago; was my fault, I shouldn&#039;t have gone there in the first place-- I knew their dispicable record as to climate change science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I boycotted Exxonmobile after they screwed me out of the gasoline I paid for a couple years ago; was my fault, I shouldn&#8217;t have gone there in the first place&#8211; I knew their dispicable record as to climate change science.</p>
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		<title>By: toadman</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/03/senate-gop-inhofe-boycott-delay-climate-bill-copenhagen/#comment-177853</link>
		<dc:creator>toadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop waiting for them to come back.  They never will.  Let&#039;s just move ahead without these obstructionist morons and marginalize them even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop waiting for them to come back.  They never will.  Let&#8217;s just move ahead without these obstructionist morons and marginalize them even more.</p>
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