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		<title>By: Marie Devine</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/13/climate-bill-farmers/#comment-194066</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Better Solution - A Different Direction 
 
The goal is survival, food and good health. 
The goal is not investment, opportunities, and new technology.

There is no need for a UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen in December.   They have no power to implement change and they only have a draft without details on how to proceed.  
On Sept 24, 2009  Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, the Libyan leader reminded the world that when the nations signed the UN Preamble, details had to be filled in later.  The later details did not line up with what the nations signed on to.  It will be the same with this treaty.

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/briston-univ-study-contradicts-fundamental-tenents-of-copenhagen-treaty/#comment-2407
This agrees with a NOVA program.
This climate change agreement cannot change the problem of climate change because they see the problem as CO2.  NOVA had a program a number of years ago that if the sun and moon were a little closer, it would dramatically increase the C02 and you would almost be able to watch things grow, they would grow so fast.  By reducing C02 it would decrease the growing capacity of the earth and we would die quickly from starvation at least.

It takes more polluting energy to create green technology and transport all the parts around the world.  It would not reduce the cost of energy, it would only change who was paid for it.  Most people, especially in a financial crisis will not be able to afford the new technologies.  The plan is well-intentioned, but has no positive affect.

The surest, easiest, quickest, fairest, most beautiful and least expensive solution is to turn from the employment lifestyle that is destroying the air, land, water and food making the people and the earth diseased.  We can solve the world problems at the same time we turn to a garden paradise lifestyle with trees, plants and pets that provide fresh food around us.  God promises rain in due season and good health and peace for animals and people if they follow His wisdom.  Leviticus 26

Money and jobs are the obstacles to choosing the only sustainable solution.  We cannot build the undeveloped world into even a small town 1800 lifestyle, but we can show them a garden paradise lifestyle that they can all rejoice in.  It will be an answer to the expected extinction of humanity and a joy in ending the oppression and stress of the employment lifestyle for those who have been stuck in it  The garden paradise lifestyle ends the problem; it does not delay it.  It obviously will work; the only question is, Are we willing to retire?

Send Twitter:  Any candidate, political party, God’s solutions to overcome problems at US, UN, EU, NATO, ME Quartet, religions, at Divine-Way.com FREE

The Copenhagen Treaty Explained, Part 1
PRE-SUPPOSITIONS IT EMPLOYS TO DEMAND ESTABLISHMENT OF ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/the-copenhagen-treaty-explained-%e2%80%94-part-i/#comment-2251
   
The Copenhagen Treaty Explained, Part 2
OBLIGES MEMBER STATES TO ACCEPT A PROCESS OF INDOCTRINATION AND CONTROL WHICH WILL FORCE CONSENT TO FUTURE PROPOSALS
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/the-copenhagen-treaty-explained-%e2%80%94-part-ii/

Marie Devine
http://www.divine-way.com
God has solutions to world problems we created by ignoring His wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Better Solution &#8211; A Different Direction </p>
<p>The goal is survival, food and good health.<br />
The goal is not investment, opportunities, and new technology.</p>
<p>There is no need for a UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen in December.   They have no power to implement change and they only have a draft without details on how to proceed.<br />
On Sept 24, 2009  Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, the Libyan leader reminded the world that when the nations signed the UN Preamble, details had to be filled in later.  The later details did not line up with what the nations signed on to.  It will be the same with this treaty.</p>
<p><a href="http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/briston-univ-study-contradicts-fundamental-tenents-of-copenhagen-treaty/#comment-2407" rel="nofollow">http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>13/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>briston-univ-study-contradicts-fundamental-tenents-of-copenhagen-treaty/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>#comment-2407</a><br />
This agrees with a NOVA program.<br />
This climate change agreement cannot change the problem of climate change because they see the problem as CO2.  NOVA had a program a number of years ago that if the sun and moon were a little closer, it would dramatically increase the C02 and you would almost be able to watch things grow, they would grow so fast.  By reducing C02 it would decrease the growing capacity of the earth and we would die quickly from starvation at least.</p>
<p>It takes more polluting energy to create green technology and transport all the parts around the world.  It would not reduce the cost of energy, it would only change who was paid for it.  Most people, especially in a financial crisis will not be able to afford the new technologies.  The plan is well-intentioned, but has no positive affect.</p>
<p>The surest, easiest, quickest, fairest, most beautiful and least expensive solution is to turn from the employment lifestyle that is destroying the air, land, water and food making the people and the earth diseased.  We can solve the world problems at the same time we turn to a garden paradise lifestyle with trees, plants and pets that provide fresh food around us.  God promises rain in due season and good health and peace for animals and people if they follow His wisdom.  Leviticus 26</p>
<p>Money and jobs are the obstacles to choosing the only sustainable solution.  We cannot build the undeveloped world into even a small town 1800 lifestyle, but we can show them a garden paradise lifestyle that they can all rejoice in.  It will be an answer to the expected extinction of humanity and a joy in ending the oppression and stress of the employment lifestyle for those who have been stuck in it  The garden paradise lifestyle ends the problem; it does not delay it.  It obviously will work; the only question is, Are we willing to retire?</p>
<p>Send Twitter:  Any candidate, political party, God’s solutions to overcome problems at US, UN, EU, NATO, ME Quartet, religions, at Divine-Way.com FREE</p>
<p>The Copenhagen Treaty Explained, Part 1<br />
PRE-SUPPOSITIONS IT EMPLOYS TO DEMAND ESTABLISHMENT OF ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT<br />
<a href="http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/the-copenhagen-treaty-explained-%e2%80%94-part-i/#comment-2251" rel="nofollow">http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>09/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>the-copenhagen-treaty-explained-%e2%80%94-part-i/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>#comment-2251</a></p>
<p>The Copenhagen Treaty Explained, Part 2<br />
OBLIGES MEMBER STATES TO ACCEPT A PROCESS OF INDOCTRINATION AND CONTROL WHICH WILL FORCE CONSENT TO FUTURE PROPOSALS<br />
<a href="http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/the-copenhagen-treaty-explained-%e2%80%94-part-ii/" rel="nofollow">http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>the-copenhagen-treaty-explained-%e2%80%94-part-ii/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a></p>
<p>Marie Devine<br />
<a href="http://www.divine-way.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.divine-way.com</a><br />
God has solutions to world problems we created by ignoring His wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: ecostew</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/13/climate-bill-farmers/#comment-193737</link>
		<dc:creator>ecostew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USDA Study:

In a comprehensive study, she raised corn, soybean, wheat and alfalfa in rotation so that each crop grew in the same year, on plots treated with and without fertilizer. She also used a less-aggressive tillage system known as strip tillage, in which only narrow bands of soil are tilled instead of an entire field. For comparison, she replicated the cropping system adopted by many Minnesota farmers — raising corn and soybeans in a two-year cycle on fertilized plots tilled with a chisel or moldboard plow.

She used a hydraulic soil probe to measure the organic carbon sequestered in the soil and closed-vented chambers to measure emissions of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide. She found that when measured over the course of a year, greenhouse gas releases were largely the same under two-year and four-year rotation systems, and that applying nitrogen fertilizer had less overall impact than anticipated on nitrous oxide emissions. Nitrous oxide emissions peaked during spring thaws when the sun warmed the soil, regardless of which tillage or rotation system was used.

Chisel and moldboard plowing increased carbon dioxide emissions for a short time. But measured over the course of a year, carbon dioxide emissions were no different from plots with intensive tillage than plots without it (EWG emphasis). She also found no consistent patterns to methane releases.


http://www.ewg.org/agmag/2009/11/usda-research-how-effective-are-current-carbon-capture-practices/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USDA Study:</p>
<p>In a comprehensive study, she raised corn, soybean, wheat and alfalfa in rotation so that each crop grew in the same year, on plots treated with and without fertilizer. She also used a less-aggressive tillage system known as strip tillage, in which only narrow bands of soil are tilled instead of an entire field. For comparison, she replicated the cropping system adopted by many Minnesota farmers — raising corn and soybeans in a two-year cycle on fertilized plots tilled with a chisel or moldboard plow.</p>
<p>She used a hydraulic soil probe to measure the organic carbon sequestered in the soil and closed-vented chambers to measure emissions of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide. She found that when measured over the course of a year, greenhouse gas releases were largely the same under two-year and four-year rotation systems, and that applying nitrogen fertilizer had less overall impact than anticipated on nitrous oxide emissions. Nitrous oxide emissions peaked during spring thaws when the sun warmed the soil, regardless of which tillage or rotation system was used.</p>
<p>Chisel and moldboard plowing increased carbon dioxide emissions for a short time. But measured over the course of a year, carbon dioxide emissions were no different from plots with intensive tillage than plots without it (EWG emphasis). She also found no consistent patterns to methane releases.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ewg.org/agmag/2009/11/usda-research-how-effective-are-current-carbon-capture-practices/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ewg.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>agmag/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>usda-research-how-effective-are-current-carbon-capture-practices/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span></a></p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/13/climate-bill-farmers/#comment-193677</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;SecularAnimist&lt;/i&gt; (1) --- Appears as if RealClimate is gearing up to debunk the WWI report.  Around 1/5 sounds about right to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>SecularAnimist</i> (1) &#8212; Appears as if RealClimate is gearing up to debunk the WWI report.  Around 1/5 sounds about right to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/13/climate-bill-farmers/#comment-193384</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Secular Animist.  ENN, (Environmental News Network), recently reported on the progress of digesters to turn animal waste to useable products, energy, fertilizer, etc.  These, in an of themselves, do not make factory farms humane or sustainable but go a long way toward making then better neighbors as well as more profitable endeavors and should be welcomed on all fronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Secular Animist.  ENN, (Environmental News Network), recently reported on the progress of digesters to turn animal waste to useable products, energy, fertilizer, etc.  These, in an of themselves, do not make factory farms humane or sustainable but go a long way toward making then better neighbors as well as more profitable endeavors and should be welcomed on all fronts.</p>
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		<title>By: WAG</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/13/climate-bill-farmers/#comment-193354</link>
		<dc:creator>WAG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the real reason cap-and-trade will be a boon to farmers is because climate change will devastate them.  According to a poll of economists:

&quot;Agriculture was the domestic economic sector most identified as &#039;likely to be negatively affected by climate change,&#039; with 86% of respondents selecting this sector.&quot;

http://policyintegrity.org/publications/documents/EconomistsandClimateChange.pdf

Cheap energy doesn&#039;t help farmers when there&#039;s no rain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the real reason cap-and-trade will be a boon to farmers is because climate change will devastate them.  According to a poll of economists:</p>
<p>&#8220;Agriculture was the domestic economic sector most identified as &#8216;likely to be negatively affected by climate change,&#8217; with 86% of respondents selecting this sector.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://policyintegrity.org/publications/documents/EconomistsandClimateChange.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://policyintegrity.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>publications/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>documents/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>EconomistsandClimateChange.pdf</a></p>
<p>Cheap energy doesn&#8217;t help farmers when there&#8217;s no rain.</p>
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		<title>By: SecularAnimist</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/13/climate-bill-farmers/#comment-193341</link>
		<dc:creator>SecularAnimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2006 the UN estimated that animal agriculture, a.k.a. livestock production, was responsible for 18 percent of anthropogenic GHG emissions, comparable to the transport sector.  A recent study published by WorldWatch Institute estimates that a much higher percentage of anthropogenic GHG emissions -- more than half! -- is produced by animal agriculture.

Either way, livestock production is a major source of GHG emissions.

When legislators say that &quot;farmers&quot; will be exempt from the &quot;cap&quot; part of &quot;cap-and-trade&quot;, what they are saying is that gigantic, corporate-owned, industrial factory farm confined animal feeding operations and slaughterhouses will be exempt.  (It is worth noting that this industry is also a massively destructive mega-polluter in other ways, in addition to its GHG emissions.)

So, why exactly is a major industrial sector that is a major source of GHG emissions exempted from the cap?  And why should any environmentalist consider this to be a good thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2006 the UN estimated that animal agriculture, a.k.a. livestock production, was responsible for 18 percent of anthropogenic GHG emissions, comparable to the transport sector.  A recent study published by WorldWatch Institute estimates that a much higher percentage of anthropogenic GHG emissions &#8212; more than half! &#8212; is produced by animal agriculture.</p>
<p>Either way, livestock production is a major source of GHG emissions.</p>
<p>When legislators say that &#8220;farmers&#8221; will be exempt from the &#8220;cap&#8221; part of &#8220;cap-and-trade&#8221;, what they are saying is that gigantic, corporate-owned, industrial factory farm confined animal feeding operations and slaughterhouses will be exempt.  (It is worth noting that this industry is also a massively destructive mega-polluter in other ways, in addition to its GHG emissions.)</p>
<p>So, why exactly is a major industrial sector that is a major source of GHG emissions exempted from the cap?  And why should any environmentalist consider this to be a good thing?</p>
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