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	<title>Comments on: Superfreakonomics coauthor replies to &#8220;scathing review&#8221; by Elizabeth Kolbert:  &#8220;she somehow accomplished all this with a degree from Yale in … literature.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-203127</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a reply from a member of the NYTimes Public Editor&#039;s office, to my Q re the propriety of Dubner&#039;s deleting comments that linked to critical reviews of his book: they don&#039;t second-guess blog moderation decisions.  And furthermore, &quot;The [blog comment] guidelines do not address links to outside material. This is left up to the moderators.&quot;

The post in question was an assemblage of links to reviews of the book; the deleted comments were an assemblage of links to reviews of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a reply from a member of the NYTimes Public Editor&#8217;s office, to my Q re the propriety of Dubner&#8217;s deleting comments that linked to critical reviews of his book: they don&#8217;t second-guess blog moderation decisions.  And furthermore, &#8220;The [blog comment] guidelines do not address links to outside material. This is left up to the moderators.&#8221;</p>
<p>The post in question was an assemblage of links to reviews of the book; the deleted comments were an assemblage of links to reviews of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-199220</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; &quot;Perhaps someone who Clark Hoyt responds to, could ask him to inform us on NYTimes blog comment moderation policies?&quot;

No takers, so I&#039;ve asked; will report back the answer or lack thereof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; &#8220;Perhaps someone who Clark Hoyt responds to, could ask him to inform us on NYTimes blog comment moderation policies?&#8221;</p>
<p>No takers, so I&#8217;ve asked; will report back the answer or lack thereof.</p>
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		<title>By: SecularAnimist</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-198867</link>
		<dc:creator>SecularAnimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dubner and Levitt are out to make money by selling books.  They don&#039;t care about global warming.  They don&#039;t care about science.  They don&#039;t care about journalism.  They don&#039;t care about credibility.  They don&#039;t even care about basic honesty and common decency.  They are cynical, fraudulent hacks out to get rich by bamboozling ignorant people with BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dubner and Levitt are out to make money by selling books.  They don&#8217;t care about global warming.  They don&#8217;t care about science.  They don&#8217;t care about journalism.  They don&#8217;t care about credibility.  They don&#8217;t even care about basic honesty and common decency.  They are cynical, fraudulent hacks out to get rich by bamboozling ignorant people with BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Delgado</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-197921</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion Delgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought her take on Vanessa&#039;s blog and book was misguided, and even thought she was missing the point with Colin&#039;s family experiment. That said, none of us who disagreed with her doubted her familiarity and even though amateur-based, expertise. Kolbert&#039;s established that with years of very accurate and informed reporting. 

I would say this insanity from Dubner, a @#$#$#@ing JOURNALIST (which is, more or less, my profession as well, and is, obviously, Kolbert&#039;s) leaning on the expertise of a !$@#$!@#ing  Chicago School Economist (which is like a Discovery Institute Biologist), brings in the last needed data to say that fundamentalist marketism is the big issue in the US at least, and everything else is window dressing.

Dubner is no more educationally qualified than Kolbert - I assume even someone in the grips of a cult fervor like he is will grudgingly admit that? Hence, he relies on a bunch of largely discredited economists - the EXACT people who bankrupted Orange County, nearly bankrupted California, and DID bankrupt the ENTIRE NATION OF ICELAND. And the EXACT people who have led the global economy over a cliff. They don&#039;t even know what they&#039;re talking about in their own field, and Dubner thinks they&#039;re a one-stop-shopping center for every science touching on climate. Meanwhile, Kolbert relies on tens of thousands of scientists via the IPCC, and thousands more via publications accessible to the public of peer reviewed and usually replicated or confirmed research.

I am not sure how far these guys can be discredited, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve hit bottom yet. If Michael Crichton had lived, I think he&#039;d be completely embattled by this point, and considered a right-wing crank on anything climate-related. Levitt and Dubner are headed for a Cannae.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought her take on Vanessa&#8217;s blog and book was misguided, and even thought she was missing the point with Colin&#8217;s family experiment. That said, none of us who disagreed with her doubted her familiarity and even though amateur-based, expertise. Kolbert&#8217;s established that with years of very accurate and informed reporting. </p>
<p>I would say this insanity from Dubner, a @#$#$#@ing JOURNALIST (which is, more or less, my profession as well, and is, obviously, Kolbert&#8217;s) leaning on the expertise of a !$@#$!@#ing  Chicago School Economist (which is like a Discovery Institute Biologist), brings in the last needed data to say that fundamentalist marketism is the big issue in the US at least, and everything else is window dressing.</p>
<p>Dubner is no more educationally qualified than Kolbert &#8211; I assume even someone in the grips of a cult fervor like he is will grudgingly admit that? Hence, he relies on a bunch of largely discredited economists &#8211; the EXACT people who bankrupted Orange County, nearly bankrupted California, and DID bankrupt the ENTIRE NATION OF ICELAND. And the EXACT people who have led the global economy over a cliff. They don&#8217;t even know what they&#8217;re talking about in their own field, and Dubner thinks they&#8217;re a one-stop-shopping center for every science touching on climate. Meanwhile, Kolbert relies on tens of thousands of scientists via the IPCC, and thousands more via publications accessible to the public of peer reviewed and usually replicated or confirmed research.</p>
<p>I am not sure how far these guys can be discredited, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve hit bottom yet. If Michael Crichton had lived, I think he&#8217;d be completely embattled by this point, and considered a right-wing crank on anything climate-related. Levitt and Dubner are headed for a Cannae.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-197898</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;let&#039;s not forget logic&quot; Freakonomics review: 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/13/AR2009111302204.html?referrer=emailarticle

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Too good not to repost.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;let&#8217;s not forget logic&#8221; Freakonomics review:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/13/AR2009111302204.html?referrer=emailarticle" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>wp-dyn/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>content/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>article/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>13/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>AR2009111302204.html?referrer=emailarticle</a></p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Too good not to repost.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-197786</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; &quot;I have had over ten comments removed from the Freak… blog on the NYTimes website, and I don’t even know why. &quot;

Paul, do you have screenshots, or did you save the text?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://warming101.blogspot.com/2009/11/evidence-of-questionable.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here are screenshots&lt;/a&gt; of some of my comments they deleted - which linked to, or excerpted from, critical reviews.  The &quot;link&quot; comments were pretty simple - e.g. &quot;Don&#039;t miss Elizabeth Kolbert&#039;s SuperFreakonomics review in the New Yorker (link); as Krugman says, it&#039;s a superfreakingly brilliant review.&quot;

Perhaps someone who Clark Hoyt responds to, could ask him to inform us on NYTimes blog comment moderation policies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; &#8220;I have had over ten comments removed from the Freak… blog on the NYTimes website, and I don’t even know why. &#8221;</p>
<p>Paul, do you have screenshots, or did you save the text?</p>
<p><a href="http://warming101.blogspot.com/2009/11/evidence-of-questionable.html" rel="nofollow">Here are screenshots</a> of some of my comments they deleted &#8211; which linked to, or excerpted from, critical reviews.  The &#8220;link&#8221; comments were pretty simple &#8211; e.g. &#8220;Don&#8217;t miss Elizabeth Kolbert&#8217;s SuperFreakonomics review in the New Yorker (link); as Krugman says, it&#8217;s a superfreakingly brilliant review.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps someone who Clark Hoyt responds to, could ask him to inform us on NYTimes blog comment moderation policies?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Klemencic</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-197727</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Klemencic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had over ten comments removed from the Freak... blog on the NYTimes website, and I don&#039;t even know why.  Clearly Dubner and Levitt are extremely sensitive to criticism and personally attack anyone who questions their analysis and conclusions. They have now attacked critics like Joe Romm, Dr. DeLong, the RealClimate scientists, especially  Dr. Pierrehumbert who is a colleague of Dr. Levitt at the University of Chicago, and now one of the most respected writers at the New Yorker, Elizabeth Kolbert.

Anyone who disagrees with them, is accused of semi-religious fervor who can&#039;t consider anything but the gospel they believe in. I now don&#039;t see Dubner or Levitt capable of understanding the criticism from knowledgeable critics.

I simply can&#039;t see how their response to well intentioned criticism is consistent with their own philosophy espousing critical thinking and they way they dress themselves up as contrary thinkers.  If others point out fallacies in their logic and argument, then Dubner and Levitt brand these rebels as religious zealots.  I think Kolbert nailed these guys accurately in the last paragraph of her review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had over ten comments removed from the Freak&#8230; blog on the NYTimes website, and I don&#8217;t even know why.  Clearly Dubner and Levitt are extremely sensitive to criticism and personally attack anyone who questions their analysis and conclusions. They have now attacked critics like Joe Romm, Dr. DeLong, the RealClimate scientists, especially  Dr. Pierrehumbert who is a colleague of Dr. Levitt at the University of Chicago, and now one of the most respected writers at the New Yorker, Elizabeth Kolbert.</p>
<p>Anyone who disagrees with them, is accused of semi-religious fervor who can&#8217;t consider anything but the gospel they believe in. I now don&#8217;t see Dubner or Levitt capable of understanding the criticism from knowledgeable critics.</p>
<p>I simply can&#8217;t see how their response to well intentioned criticism is consistent with their own philosophy espousing critical thinking and they way they dress themselves up as contrary thinkers.  If others point out fallacies in their logic and argument, then Dubner and Levitt brand these rebels as religious zealots.  I think Kolbert nailed these guys accurately in the last paragraph of her review.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-197713</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eli really likes this &lt;a href=&quot;http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/04/joke-michael-tobis-has-been-murdering.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;little story&lt;/a&gt; (check the comments for more and better)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eli really likes this <a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/04/joke-michael-tobis-has-been-murdering.html" rel="nofollow">little story</a> (check the comments for more and better)</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-197501</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and re my #20 (&quot;when people aren’t outraged to find that they were playing in the symphony&quot;), for first-time players (e.g. the WSJ lightbulb guy) the most parsimonious hypothesis is that they didn&#039;t know, and/or don&#039;t consider themselves a part of it.  It&#039;s when you have a repeat player (e.g. Botkin) that the Q gets interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and re my #20 (&#8221;when people aren’t outraged to find that they were playing in the symphony&#8221;), for first-time players (e.g. the WSJ lightbulb guy) the most parsimonious hypothesis is that they didn&#8217;t know, and/or don&#8217;t consider themselves a part of it.  It&#8217;s when you have a repeat player (e.g. Botkin) that the Q gets interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/14/superfreakonomics-science-review-elizabeth-kolbert-degree-from-yale-in-literature/#comment-197487</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; &quot; does anyone know how to find a link to something like it?&quot;

Google &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;as_q=&amp;as_epq=music+made+from+sounds&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comes through again.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; &#8221; does anyone know how to find a link to something like it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Google <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;as_q=&amp;as_epq=music+made+from+sounds" rel="nofollow">comes through again.</a></p>
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