Comments on: AP: Since 1997 ‘climate change has worsened and accelerated beyond some of the grimmest of warnings made back then.’ http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:20:00 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Cynthia http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-218089 Cynthia Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:28:32 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-218089 To #7: Yep, the earth goes through various climate changes and warming cycles. The difference is, this time it IS caused by us humans (and therefore, stoppable!) and it's happening much, much faster-- too fast for species to adapt. Instead of the usual thousands of years, it's all occurring in only about 200 years plus! To #7: Yep, the earth goes through various climate changes and warming cycles. The difference is, this time it IS caused by us humans (and therefore, stoppable!) and it’s happening much, much faster– too fast for species to adapt. Instead of the usual thousands of years, it’s all occurring in only about 200 years plus!

]]> By: tarsus http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-212229 tarsus Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:41:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-212229 thanks admin Are you really cool thanks admin
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]]> By: Leif http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-210048 Leif Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:18:34 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-210048 Dennis B #7 I suggest that you visit and read the new IPCC report. 1: When you talk about a cult, look no further than your peers. 2: You have to pay to dump your trash, why should big business get to pollute the environment for free? 3: The same can be said for control of reproductive rights. 4: The sun's energy output has been remarkably steady with a slight dimming in the last few years, yet still the earth warms as predicted. IPCC report. 5: Fluctuations in weather and climate have happened but the last time we have seen ~400 ppm CO2 the earth was a far different place. NO PEOPLE for starters. Go read and learn your facts then come back. Dennis B #7 I suggest that you visit and read the new IPCC report.
1: When you talk about a cult, look no further than your peers.
2: You have to pay to dump your trash, why should big business get to pollute the environment for free?
3: The same can be said for control of reproductive rights.
4: The sun’s energy output has been remarkably steady with a slight dimming in the last few years, yet still the earth warms as predicted. IPCC report.
5: Fluctuations in weather and climate have happened but the last time we have seen ~400 ppm CO2 the earth was a far different place. NO PEOPLE for starters.
Go read and learn your facts then come back.

]]> By: Dennis B http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-210023 Dennis B Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:45:10 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-210023 The problem I have with the "climate change let's do something about it". Is 1) It has turned into a cult that you dare not go against or ELSE 2) It has turned into a HUGE business, including taxation opportunity such as "carbon tax" 3) It is giving governments even more opportunity to control it's citizens by having environmental police which has extraordinary powers that will be used for non environmental reasons. 4) Planets in our solar system are getting warmer, we can not control the sun in any shape or form. However, very little credit does it get when it comes to climate change 5) Our planet goes through continuous climate changes and it has been doing this for while without our help. Though we can be dirty pigs when it comes to consuming and wasting it still does not address the issue of governments and corporations in using this "tragedy" for wrong reasons. Which will ultimately not end up helping human kind clean up it's act in the first place. The problem I have with the “climate change let’s do something about it”. Is

1) It has turned into a cult that you dare not go against or ELSE
2) It has turned into a HUGE business, including taxation opportunity such as “carbon tax”
3) It is giving governments even more opportunity to control it’s citizens by having environmental police which has extraordinary powers that will be used for non environmental reasons.
4) Planets in our solar system are getting warmer, we can not control the sun in any shape or form. However, very little credit does it get when it comes to climate change
5) Our planet goes through continuous climate changes and it has been doing this for while without our help. Though we can be dirty pigs when it comes to consuming and wasting it still does not address the issue of governments and corporations in using this “tragedy” for wrong reasons. Which will ultimately not end up helping human kind clean up it’s act in the first place.

]]> By: Andy Olsen http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-208449 Andy Olsen Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:04:31 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-208449 Thanks for highlighting this story, Joe. After all the stories "catapulting the propaganda" on the purloined emails (why wasn't that a robbery story?) it's good to see this bad news covered. It would be interesting to put the denier arguments from back then side-by-side and see who has fared better by history. Might be interesting, also, to note that their line back then was "global warming isn't happening," which they've now changed to "global warming is happening but humans have nothing to do with it." Thanks for highlighting this story, Joe. After all the stories “catapulting the propaganda” on the purloined emails (why wasn’t that a robbery story?) it’s good to see this bad news covered.

It would be interesting to put the denier arguments from back then side-by-side and see who has fared better by history. Might be interesting, also, to note that their line back then was “global warming isn’t happening,” which they’ve now changed to “global warming is happening but humans have nothing to do with it.”

]]> By: Leif http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-208201 Leif Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:22:29 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-208201 East Antarctic melting faster than anticipated. http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE5AL15120091122 The news just does not seem to get any better... or Go to: Environmental News Network, (ENN) [<em>JR: I'll blog on this soon. Word Press ate my entire first draft!</em>] East Antarctic melting faster than anticipated. http://www.reuters.com/ article/ environmentNews/ idUSTRE5AL15120091122
The news just does not seem to get any better…
or Go to: Environmental News Network, (ENN)

[JR: I'll blog on this soon. Word Press ate my entire first draft!]

]]> By: Deep Sixer http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-208194 Deep Sixer Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:54 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-208194 Yes, this shows the recent jump better because it includes the 1998 El Nino heat in the recent 12 years and compares it to the volcanically cooled previous 12 years. This seems to show recent warming, because if you use 10 years then you're comparing the recently cool period against the previous 10 years with the 1998 heat in the preceding period. It's even better if you compare the recent 12 years against 12 years 150 years ago, when the Little Ice Age offers many cool periods to compare against. This shows the recent jump even better. Yes, this shows the recent jump better because it includes the 1998 El Nino heat in the recent 12 years and compares it to the volcanically cooled previous 12 years. This seems to show recent warming, because if you use 10 years then you’re comparing the recently cool period against the previous 10 years with the 1998 heat in the preceding period.

It’s even better if you compare the recent 12 years against 12 years 150 years ago, when the Little Ice Age offers many cool periods to compare against. This shows the recent jump even better.

]]> By: Greg N http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-208164 Greg N Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:27:14 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-208164 "Temperatures over the past 12 years are 0.4 of a degree warmer than the dozen years leading up to 1997." I know you usually go with 2000s 0.2 degrees warmer than the 1990s. Is this dozen years figure a better way to present it? [<em>JR: I do C (and F) comparing the 2000s with the 1990s. He does F. Yes, this shows the recent jump better.</em>] “Temperatures over the past 12 years are 0.4 of a degree warmer than the dozen years leading up to 1997.”

I know you usually go with 2000s 0.2 degrees warmer than the 1990s. Is this dozen years figure a better way to present it?

[JR: I do C (and F) comparing the 2000s with the 1990s. He does F. Yes, this shows the recent jump better.]

]]> By: mike roddy http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-208151 mike roddy Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:11:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-208151 I've met Seth, and he's an endangered species: an old school reporter, determined to get to the facts, and who will not be deterred. I hope he can lead his frightened brethren by example. I’ve met Seth, and he’s an endangered species: an old school reporter, determined to get to the facts, and who will not be deterred. I hope he can lead his frightened brethren by example.

]]> By: Steve Bloom http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/ap-since-1997-climate-change-has-worsened-and-accelerated-%e2%80%94-beyond-some-of-the-grimmest-of-warnings-made-back-then/#comment-208150 Steve Bloom Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:08:50 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=14457#comment-208150 Somehow I bet this doesn't turn into a "front page thought" at the NY Times. BTW, Joe, yesterday evening I heard Andy Revkin being interviewed on BBC World Service. He got asked a pretty direct question about whether the emails contained any sort of smoking gun and failed to answer it, leaving listeners with the impression that maybe there was something there. While he did go on to say that he's already past covering the contents and is investigating the identity of the hacker, that didn't repair all the damage. But perhaps I'm just being hypersensitive. That aside, this was a good example of the NYT's coverage becoming part of the story for others. Somehow I bet this doesn’t turn into a “front page thought” at the NY Times.

BTW, Joe, yesterday evening I heard Andy Revkin being interviewed on BBC World Service. He got asked a pretty direct question about whether the emails contained any sort of smoking gun and failed to answer it, leaving listeners with the impression that maybe there was something there. While he did go on to say that he’s already past covering the contents and is investigating the identity of the hacker, that didn’t repair all the damage. But perhaps I’m just being hypersensitive. That aside, this was a good example of the NYT’s coverage becoming part of the story for others.

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