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	<title>Comments on: Evolution of Evolution: 150 Years of Darwin&#8217;s &#8220;On the Origin of Species&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: From Peru</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/26/evolution-of-evolution-150-years-of-darwins-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-214444</link>
		<dc:creator>From Peru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to say that Lamarchist-like or Saltation-like(example, duplication of HOX genes) mechanisms are not totally disproved.

So keep an open mind: the evolutionary theories are themselves evolving rapidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to say that Lamarchist-like or Saltation-like(example, duplication of HOX genes) mechanisms are not totally disproved.</p>
<p>So keep an open mind: the evolutionary theories are themselves evolving rapidly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an entire literature on science and religion.  It seems mostly to be written by present or former practicing scientists.  The book &quot;Questions of Truth&quot; by John Polkinghorne, a distinguished quantum physicist, and Nicholas Beale has another quote attributed to the sixth edition of &quot;The Origin of the Species&quot;:

&quot;As my conclusions have lately been much misinterpreted ... may I be permitted to remark that in the first edition of the work, and subsequently, I placed in a most conspicuous position ... &#039;I am convinced that natural selection has been the main, but not the exclusive, means of modification&#039;.  This has been of no avail.  Great is the power of steady misinterpretation..&quot;
(from Questions of Truth, p141)

Darwin&#039;s position mostly reflects his newer naturalistic views but it also leaves open the question of whether or not God is also a source of modification.  I read &quot;2001, A Space Odyssey&quot; and saw the movie when it was released.  I also have the movie on DVD.  What was the monolith?  Was it God?  Was it some extraterrestial civilization?  The question is never answered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an entire literature on science and religion.  It seems mostly to be written by present or former practicing scientists.  The book &#8220;Questions of Truth&#8221; by John Polkinghorne, a distinguished quantum physicist, and Nicholas Beale has another quote attributed to the sixth edition of &#8220;The Origin of the Species&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;As my conclusions have lately been much misinterpreted &#8230; may I be permitted to remark that in the first edition of the work, and subsequently, I placed in a most conspicuous position &#8230; &#8216;I am convinced that natural selection has been the main, but not the exclusive, means of modification&#8217;.  This has been of no avail.  Great is the power of steady misinterpretation..&#8221;<br />
(from Questions of Truth, p141)</p>
<p>Darwin&#8217;s position mostly reflects his newer naturalistic views but it also leaves open the question of whether or not God is also a source of modification.  I read &#8220;2001, A Space Odyssey&#8221; and saw the movie when it was released.  I also have the movie on DVD.  What was the monolith?  Was it God?  Was it some extraterrestial civilization?  The question is never answered.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidCOG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidCOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan W. says:

&gt; There is a lot more information in the genetic code than is likely to be produced by purely random chance, that is; mutations which are totally random followed by natural selection.

Evidence for that? No, you&#039;re just pushing your vague creator hypothesis further down the chain. Or maybe you&#039;re working towards the irreducible complexity argument?

If you have any confidence in your argument, take it to http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ - and prepare for it to be dissected and dispatched. Or the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan W. says:</p>
<p>&gt; There is a lot more information in the genetic code than is likely to be produced by purely random chance, that is; mutations which are totally random followed by natural selection.</p>
<p>Evidence for that? No, you&#8217;re just pushing your vague creator hypothesis further down the chain. Or maybe you&#8217;re working towards the irreducible complexity argument?</p>
<p>If you have any confidence in your argument, take it to <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/</a> &#8211; and prepare for it to be dissected and dispatched. Or the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Common descent, and thus some form of evolution, is well supported by material evidence. But the Neo-Darwinian synthesis is in its death throes. If people weren&#039;t so ideologically opposed to the notion of any sort of &#039;intelligent&#039; mechanism, materialist or otherwise, existing in the genetic code they wouldn&#039;t have been so blindsided by the discovery of epigenetics and possibly neo-lamarkian mechanisms. There is a lot more information in the genetic code than is likely to be produced by purely random chance, that is; mutations which are &lt;i&gt;totally random&lt;/i&gt; followed by natural selection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common descent, and thus some form of evolution, is well supported by material evidence. But the Neo-Darwinian synthesis is in its death throes. If people weren&#8217;t so ideologically opposed to the notion of any sort of &#8216;intelligent&#8217; mechanism, materialist or otherwise, existing in the genetic code they wouldn&#8217;t have been so blindsided by the discovery of epigenetics and possibly neo-lamarkian mechanisms. There is a lot more information in the genetic code than is likely to be produced by purely random chance, that is; mutations which are <i>totally random</i> followed by natural selection.</p>
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		<title>By: From Peru</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/26/evolution-of-evolution-150-years-of-darwins-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-212702</link>
		<dc:creator>From Peru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denialists are Denialists:
Climate Change Deniers.(&quot;skeptiks&quot; they call themselves)
Evolution Deniers (&quot;creationists&quot; they call themselves)

Both deeply rooted in the  Republican Party.
Both conservatives.
Both liars
Both...(the list is almost infinite)

Some clarification of evolution:
Evolution is both a FACT and a THEORY.

Lifeforms change, that&#039;s totally clear from observation of current species(the most recent one: the new strain of Pandemic Influenza 2009/AH1N1 that conservatively will, (if it hasn&#039;t yet) cause 5 MILLON DEATHS worldwide)and the fossil record.That&#039;s a FACT.

But what is the MECHANISM? There are various THEORIES, some disproved by evidence, some likely in the right track:

1)Lamarchism(1800s): false
2)Saltationism(1800s):false
3)Darwinism(1800s): only partially right because cannot explain variations (there were not genetics yet), so Darwin invoked Lamarchist mechanisms.
4)Neo-Darwinism (mix of Genetics + Darwin&#039;s Theory, early 1900s): in right track, can explain evolution in small scale as observed in Nature, but has problems for the great changes(example: fish to amphibians)
5)Neutralism(since late 1900s): complement the previous one, useful for intra-species evolution as observed in Nature and in the Lab.
6)&quot;Punctuacted Equilibrium&quot;(since 1980s): explain better the big changes, but still struggles with the biggest steps(like cells to multicellular organisms)
7)&quot;Developmental biology&quot;(since late 1900s): it blames the big changes to changes in few &quot;regulator genes&quot; like the HOX genes. Explain better &quot;macro&quot;-evolution, specially if combined with the previous one.

These are the theories. Combine them in the right context, and we can began to undestand the MECHANISM of evolution, still not well understood.

My list really fit your title &quot;evolution of evolution&quot;.
Biology and Climate Science, both achieving astounding victories and right predictions, and facing equally defying conundrums and misteries.
This is how Science works.

And both SEVERELY MENACED BY REACTIONARY CONSERVATIVES.
This is how Ideology can destroy the works of hundreds of scientists, and ultimately(in the case of Climate Change) destroy the lifeforms that have taken billions of years of evolution to reach the current biodivesity ,in your  beautiful planet and Motherland, Planet EARTH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denialists are Denialists:<br />
Climate Change Deniers.(&#8221;skeptiks&#8221; they call themselves)<br />
Evolution Deniers (&#8221;creationists&#8221; they call themselves)</p>
<p>Both deeply rooted in the  Republican Party.<br />
Both conservatives.<br />
Both liars<br />
Both&#8230;(the list is almost infinite)</p>
<p>Some clarification of evolution:<br />
Evolution is both a FACT and a THEORY.</p>
<p>Lifeforms change, that&#8217;s totally clear from observation of current species(the most recent one: the new strain of Pandemic Influenza 2009/AH1N1 that conservatively will, (if it hasn&#8217;t yet) cause 5 MILLON DEATHS worldwide)and the fossil record.That&#8217;s a FACT.</p>
<p>But what is the MECHANISM? There are various THEORIES, some disproved by evidence, some likely in the right track:</p>
<p>1)Lamarchism(1800s): false<br />
2)Saltationism(1800s):false<br />
3)Darwinism(1800s): only partially right because cannot explain variations (there were not genetics yet), so Darwin invoked Lamarchist mechanisms.<br />
4)Neo-Darwinism (mix of Genetics + Darwin&#8217;s Theory, early 1900s): in right track, can explain evolution in small scale as observed in Nature, but has problems for the great changes(example: fish to amphibians)<br />
5)Neutralism(since late 1900s): complement the previous one, useful for intra-species evolution as observed in Nature and in the Lab.<br />
6)&#8221;Punctuacted Equilibrium&#8221;(since 1980s): explain better the big changes, but still struggles with the biggest steps(like cells to multicellular organisms)<br />
7)&#8221;Developmental biology&#8221;(since late 1900s): it blames the big changes to changes in few &#8220;regulator genes&#8221; like the HOX genes. Explain better &#8220;macro&#8221;-evolution, specially if combined with the previous one.</p>
<p>These are the theories. Combine them in the right context, and we can began to undestand the MECHANISM of evolution, still not well understood.</p>
<p>My list really fit your title &#8220;evolution of evolution&#8221;.<br />
Biology and Climate Science, both achieving astounding victories and right predictions, and facing equally defying conundrums and misteries.<br />
This is how Science works.</p>
<p>And both SEVERELY MENACED BY REACTIONARY CONSERVATIVES.<br />
This is how Ideology can destroy the works of hundreds of scientists, and ultimately(in the case of Climate Change) destroy the lifeforms that have taken billions of years of evolution to reach the current biodivesity ,in your  beautiful planet and Motherland, Planet EARTH.</p>
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		<title>By: mike roddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike roddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we need this wakeup call once in a while. For all the talk about the pro evolution court ruling for a school in Pennsylvania, many schools throughout the Bible Belt continue to teach creationism. 

Or, as with climate deniers, introduce &quot;doubt&quot; into the theory of evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we need this wakeup call once in a while. For all the talk about the pro evolution court ruling for a school in Pennsylvania, many schools throughout the Bible Belt continue to teach creationism. </p>
<p>Or, as with climate deniers, introduce &#8220;doubt&#8221; into the theory of evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Wes Rolley, it is Darwin&#039;s LAW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Wes Rolley, it is Darwin&#8217;s LAW.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Rolley</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/26/evolution-of-evolution-150-years-of-darwins-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-212304</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Rolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the term &quot;theory&quot; has a specific scientific meaning, the deniers, whether of climate or of evolution, continue to use the phrase that &quot;it is only a theory.&quot;  Maybe, in the popular press, MSM articles and general discourse, we should replace the word theory  with explanation.  As Joe used it &quot;...is as well-substantiated a theory as any in science.&quot; might better not be so easily dismissed if we were to say &quot;...is as well-substantiated an explanation of observed facts as any in science.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the term &#8220;theory&#8221; has a specific scientific meaning, the deniers, whether of climate or of evolution, continue to use the phrase that &#8220;it is only a theory.&#8221;  Maybe, in the popular press, MSM articles and general discourse, we should replace the word theory  with explanation.  As Joe used it &#8220;&#8230;is as well-substantiated a theory as any in science.&#8221; might better not be so easily dismissed if we were to say &#8220;&#8230;is as well-substantiated an explanation of observed facts as any in science.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DavidCOG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidCOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Joe. Very interesting. I wasn&#039;t aware of that revision between the two versions. Clearly influence over - and corruption of - science from vested interests and the status quo is nothing new!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Joe. Very interesting. I wasn&#8217;t aware of that revision between the two versions. Clearly influence over &#8211; and corruption of &#8211; science from vested interests and the status quo is nothing new!</p>
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